Liam | Saaaad says:
Laaaawl
Cobra/Darktail says:
Hrmm?
Liam | Saaaad says:
Illyria is turning into this guiltridden, melancholic person
Cobra/Darktail says:
Haha, emo
Cobra/Darktail says:
Emolyria
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
Now I need to figure out how she becomes all not-emo
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oh!
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oralle...
Liam | Saaaad says:
i forgot XD
Cobra/Darktail says:
Haha, get your story straight already  
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
Its wonky-- I mean, it IS Illyria, after all
Liam | Saaaad says:
and she's one screwed up person underneath that facade  
Liam | Saaaad says:
and then L'SIRR comes along, and poof
Liam | Saaaad says:
all hell breaks loose
Liam | Saaaad says:
she won't whine, like Aerie-- she thinks she's worked through her problems
Liam | Saaaad says:
but she hasn't... muahahahaha
Cobra/Darktail says:
Haha, evyl bastard  
Liam | Saaaad says:
heh, yeah...
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oralle must be really sadistic XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
or really lost
Liam | Saaaad says:
I think i prefer lost
Cobra/Darktail says:
Irenicuses Aunt
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
Aunt Oralle XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
http://liam.helephant.com/PW/index.php/Illyria_NPC_History
Cobra/Darktail says:
Beautifully fleshedout
Cobra/Darktail says:
Unlike some other NPC's...
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
Such as? *g*
Liam | Saaaad says:
I want to eventually be able to make a few characters whose histories are interwoven
Liam | Saaaad says:
Is there anything you think needs to be added/expanded upon so far?
Liam | Saaaad says:
She's about 17/18 now
Liam | Saaaad says:
about halfway done the basic history, yeey
Liam | Saaaad says:
Well, halfway done *illyria's* history... I'm thinking of fleshing out Saranan, Baran, Oralle, and Kentharil's histories a tad. Not to the extent of Illyria's, but so that they are believeable characters with believable motivations etc
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm also thinking of changing Saranan's name to Sarana... but that sounds a bit too much like Safana for my liking, lol
Cobra/Darktail says:
haha
Cobra/Darktail says:
Uhm
Cobra/Darktail says:
What was her fathers profession?
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm not sure-- I was considering a carpenter, or something along those lines. But that wouldn't work in Elven society, since they create everything using magic
Cobra/Darktail says:
I was going to say Jeweler but I suppose that's the same thing
Liam | Saaaad says:
mm... maybe a jeweller is a good idea, because of the necklace he gave her
Liam | Saaaad says:
He could be a mage, and a jeweller-- and he learnt how to combine the two, which is perhaps why he was so successful in Beregost
Liam | Saaaad says:
A sorcerer, actually
Cobra/Darktail says:
Not a very powerful one though
Liam | Saaaad says:
Yeah
Liam | Saaaad says:
A rudimentary one, just enough so he uses it to help shape the metal and stuff
Liam | Saaaad says:
I have several ideas about Oralle's motivations, but all of them make Illyria too special
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oralle herself is an archer/mage, I think
Liam | Saaaad says:
Illyria is pretty, lol... I'm quite proud of myself. Even if she does look a lot like the reference I was using, lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
She looks all happy, which is annoying
Liam | Saaaad says:
I need to figure out a way to make her look calm, with a hint of confusion, or perhaps blankness
Liam | Saaaad says:
a tad of darkness
Cobra/Darktail says:
Vlack shadow over her shoulder?
Cobra/Darktail says:
*Black
Liam | Saaaad says:
Mm, perhaps
Liam | Saaaad says:
Harsh lighting
Liam | Saaaad says:
and just a slight furrowed brow
Liam | Saaaad says:
eyes slightly closed
Liam | Saaaad says:
mouth slightly open, corners slightly down
Liam | Saaaad says:
Damnit, I can't have too harsh lighting
Liam | Saaaad says:
I can have medium lighting, though
Liam | Saaaad says:
(trying to keep it exactly in style with the BG portraits is HARD, lol)
Liam | Saaaad says:
And I only have her as a sketch so far XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
But, anyway... do you like her history? Does it sound believable? Would it help shape the person she is, a 2 sided woman with problems she thought she'd solved but hasn't, overlayed with a darkness of confusion and slight bitterness
Cobra/Darktail says:
I think so
Cobra/Darktail says:
It's really layered, and I can see where she'd be having problem
Cobra/Darktail says:
a
Cobra/Darktail says:
*s
Liam | Saaaad says:
Yeah
Cobra/Darktail says:
What happened to his body
Liam | Saaaad says:
you notice she seeks father figures? The church as a whole is supposed to represent a guy, lol.
Liam | Saaaad says:
Umm
Liam | Saaaad says:
He didn't die then
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oralle transported him to a temple in Afffkatla
Liam | Saaaad says:
He dies later on, when Illyria is still travelling with Oralle
Liam | Saaaad says:
She hears a rumour that he is still alive, and its part of the reason she and Oralle seperate
Liam | Saaaad says:
The trail of clues lead her to a dead end, though, and having already accepted his not being in her life she accepts it, with some sadness
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm going to rework how you meet her, I think-- it'll be in the Umar hills, or perhaps the Druid grove in Trademeet. Maybe in Waukeens promenade, I'm not sure yet
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm still figuring out why she's there, lol
Cobra/Darktail says:
lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
A small part of the reason is because the trail of her father led her there, but thats it
Liam | Saaaad says:
Eeei
Liam | Saaaad says:
I know...
Liam | Saaaad says:
You see her seeing Kentharil for the first time since Baran had to leave, and he's all mean, and she's bitter at him for not being there for her
Liam | Saaaad says:
Kentharil is a right idiot-- he wants power, pure and simple, and he wants to get revenge on Sara... who I think I'm going to kill off, and thats how Lyr meets Oralle
Cobra/Darktail says:
*nods*
Cobra/Darktail says:
Is he going to kill Sara
Liam | Saaaad says:
I don't think so... maybe. That would make him all remorseful and bitter and lot more fun
Liam | Saaaad says:
but Sara is dying anyway
Liam | Saaaad says:
Sara always knows Baran is alive, but she withers because she's not there *with* him. And then he dies, and its the final straw, and she also dies, I think
Liam | Saaaad says:
Or perhaps Sara dies, and that kills Baran
Cobra/Darktail says:
Decisions decisions  
Liam | Saaaad says:
Yus
Liam | Saaaad says:
anything else that doesn't make sense (apart from my ramblings)?
Cobra/Darktail says:
No I think you have it covered
Cobra/Darktail says:
Where's Li'Sirr come in though
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol!
Liam | Saaaad says:
Way later XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm rethinking how that works, though... I think it should be a spell which forces them together, or something with a purpose, because having it just for no reason is a GAPING PLOTHOLE(tm)
Cobra/Darktail says:
God intervenes?
Cobra/Darktail says:
He's a Bhallspawn?
Cobra/Darktail says:
And he uses Illyria to kill the protag?
Cobra/Darktail says:
lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
XD 
Liam | Saaaad says:
Thats just scary... but a brilliant idea...
Liam | Saaaad says:
it could then span it to ToB
Liam | Saaaad says:
because the five aren't the only Bhaalspawn
Cobra/Darktail says:
Kinda off on a tangent from her original intent though
Liam | Saaaad says:
*who's* original intent XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
But Illyria wouldn't be aware of it
Liam | Saaaad says:
she'd just be aware of Oralle
Liam | Saaaad says:
I mean, L'sirr XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
OW MY HEAD, lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
too many plotlines  
Cobra/Darktail says:
Haha
Cobra/Darktail says:
Enough for three NPCS
Liam | Saaaad says:
Yeeup
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oralle, Kentharil, Saranan, perhaps even Baran and Kentharils as-of-yet-unnamed father, lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
The only problem is I don't want her to be overly special
Liam | Saaaad says:
she's incredibly special as she is-- I mean, she has a Beholder soul inside her, she doesn't need someone trying to kill her, or someone who planted L'Sirr in there to get Lyr to kill the protag
Cobra/Darktail says:
Yeah
Liam | Saaaad says:
But perhaps it is Kentharil's revenge against Lyr
Liam | Saaaad says:
for 'stealing' his mother
Cobra/Darktail says:
Could be
Liam | Saaaad says:
Oohers
Liam | Saaaad says:
what if Lyr WAS kicked off the isle?
Cobra/Darktail says:
I think you need to brainstorm all this then refine it back.
Liam | Saaaad says:
And she wants to get back? XD
Liam | Saaaad says:
Yueerup.
Cobra/Darktail says:
Too much of an involved plot may kill the realism or detract from the actual story of BG
Cobra/Darktail says:
lol
Liam | Saaaad says:
Lol, exactly what I was thinking
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm not here to create a whole new game
Liam | Saaaad says:
I'm here to add something interesting to the existing game
Cobra/Darktail says:
Exactly
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
Lol... I tried drawing Oralle
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
and she looks all... young, and more like Illyria's sister XD
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
but she has a pretty ear.
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
I like the ear. *grins*
Cobra/Darktail says:
*giggles*
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
she looks eeevil, which is good
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
But I always imagined her as older, somehow-- only problem is elves don't really age XD
Cobra/Darktail says:
...
Cobra/Darktail says:
ohyeah
Cobra/Darktail says:
I always imagined her as old...
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
Me too-- with like, wrinkles
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
but elves don't really GET wrinkly XD
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
alternatively, I could actually turn her into Kentharil...
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
in fact, that works well, lol
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
just alter the jaw slightly  
Cobra/Darktail says:
lol
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
In fact, that worked brilliantly
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
So now I know what Tharil and Lyr look like...
Cobra/Darktail says:
What if Oralle was a half elf...
Cobra/Darktail says:
Can elves sense when someone isn't pure blood?
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
Hrm... perhaps... but she is a mage.
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
I think they'd be able too-- but if Oralle was very careful and masked it, perhaps 
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
It'd explain why she wanted to help them-- she'd sympathise with them
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
*her, lol
Cobra/Darktail says:
Yeah
Cobra/Darktail says:
Maybe she could age slightly...
Cobra/Darktail says:
Not too much
Cobra/Darktail says:
But just a bit more then other elves
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
Mm, good idea
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
Thanks love!
Liam | *pokes Fay to come on* says:
brb
Cobra/Darktail says:
kk