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liamlala: Welcome back 
azkyroth: 
liamlala: gahs, bbs - dinner
azkyroth: Figures.  Ok.
liamlala: Murphy's law 
azkyroth: I should start a petition to repeal it.
liamlala: Haha, good luck with that - I'll second the motion 
liamlala: cya soon
liamlala: back
azkyroth: That was quick.
liamlala: yeah 
azkyroth: Hmm.  What about Neutral Lyr?
liamlala: Hr...
liamlala: Neutral lyr is quiet... slightly paranoid. Usually a bit of a pushover, she doesn't like to argue
liamlala: when she gets upset about something, she gets hysterical
azkyroth: How obvious is it to the rest of the party that Something is Wrong?
liamlala: Well...
liamlala: basically, after the underdark she goes quiet
liamlala: doesn't talk much.
liamlala: Everyone just thinks she's got a lot to think about, with L'Sirr's destruction and stuff.
liamlala: Jaheira and Imoen notice.
liamlala: they talk to the PC about it
azkyroth: Arkalian would too...and she'd wonder about deep it runs.  But she's perceptive, not psychic, so she's not going to spill it...heh.  As written, she notices something wrong with Yoshimo on Brynnlaw, and figures out that he's betrayed the party to Irenicus...between Irenicus revealing himself and the line where Irenicus identifies Yoshimo as his servant in the unmodded game.
liamlala: Yeah
liamlala: Would she perhaps try to take an older sister role? Protecting Lyr?
azkyroth: Depends on how you mean.  She's not really a nurturing type, but she's more than ready to jump in on the side of a friend if necessary.  She wouldn't pretend said friend was right when they weren't, but would try to mitigate things, perhaps.
liamlala: Thats what I thought... for their relationship... I think, a sort of protective sister role for Kali, defending Lyr and perhaps even sheltering her a tad- she'd be at a loss for how to support her, but would want to do SOMETHING to help. She could even become a bit of a reluctant confidante for Lyr?
azkyroth: Confidante she'd be good at...but as for sheltering...it'd be contextual.  She has kind of a "tough love" style with Aerie, for instance, though I don't know how similar the situation is.
liamlala: Aerie whines... that would grate on Kali's nerves, I'd imagine. Lyr is quiet; I imagine Kali would have to go to HER first
azkyroth: Which might be a stumblign block for a while.  Kali's usually quiet too, without a reason not to be.
liamlala: Hmm... I'd imagine there'd have to be an outside influence for them to talk; maybe Lyr has a nightmare, and Kali wakes up grumbling and asks whats wrong?
azkyroth: Perhaps.  She would be sympathetic, though she'd feel a little bit like...oh, what's the expression...
liamlala: exasperated? XD
azkyroth: She's somewhat prone to nightmares, though she's gradually learned to suppress the "screaming" reaction.  Hence, she wouldn't be so much exasperated, but perhaps...argh.  Might think Lyr was demonstrating a lack of perspective.  There's an expression and now I can't think of it...
liamlala: I hate when that happens- and you know it'd explain it *perfectly* XD
liamlala: I don't think Lyr would scream..
liamlala: Lyr might become a bit of an insomniac
liamlala: she wakes Kali up by moving something
liamlala: and Kali can't get back to sleep, so approaches Lyr round the fireplace
azkyroth: Hmm.  Might work.  ...fuck, brb.  Joey seems to be awake.
liamlala: XD okies
azkyroth: Yeah, she was.  Well, she adjusted pretty well to the toddler-bed for the first 8 hours...
liamlala: *grins* How old is she?
azkyroth: 25 months.
liamlala: awww! That's so adorable 
liamlala: Hell for you, but incredibly adorable, lol
azkyroth: *shrugs* little kobold's curled up with her mother for the rest of the night, and I, as usual, am insomnified.
liamlala: insomnia is a horrible thing... XD
azkyroth: What would the nightmare be about?
azkyroth: And how would the player happen to see the dialogue, if they're the only two awake?  His/her watch, maybe? *shrugs*
liamlala: An aching nothingness, threatening to consume her. Neutral Illyria's worst fear is being alone and nothingness
liamlala: I think it'd wake him/her up
azkyroth: Ah.  That's the neutral path specifically?  Hmm...they'd pretty much have to meet up before that point, though.  Hmm...
liamlala: Well... that only kicks in after the Underdark
azkyroth: Yeah. *ponders*
azkyroth: Kinda late to be breaking the ice.
liamlala: Well, they'd certainly get to know each other before that... but Illyria basically retreats after the Underdark, won't speak to anyone except Immy, Jaheira and <CHARNAME>
liamlala: and I'm still not sure about beforechange!Illyria's personality, lol...
azkyroth: I'd make it kind of a blend of the Good and Neutral character concepts.
liamlala: yeah. I was sort of thinking something like... a bit cynical and disillusioned, very wry sense of humour (which doesn't show up often), ever so slightly prejudiced against elves....
azkyroth: Kali feels less alienated from human society than elven, so they'd have that in common.
liamlala: Illyria finds the human need for adventure interesting, because she can feel it in her own veins. I think she's a bit untrusting of the human values of love and trust
liamlala: she won't trust easily
azkyroth: *nods* any particular reason?
liamlala: Well, her experiences with trust and love is that people break it. 
liamlala: In her eyes, her father left her, Oralle left her
liamlala: the people of Evermeet who she trusted turned their backs on her
liamlala: hence her not really liking elves overly much
azkyroth: *nods* Oralle...refresh my memory?  I know you mentioned them...
liamlala: Oralle was her tutor; she travelled with Illyria on the mainland for a few years before being forced to leave. She said to Lyr she'd be back, but she never returned, so Lyr took up travelling again
azkyroth: Ah.  With Arkalian...well, Paligon betrayed what trust she'd developed for him in a spectacular fashion.  Fraesyr tortured her for fun and used her to get to Paligon.  I think a major part of it is that she's just never really had any close "human" connections before meeting up with the party... *ponders*
liamlala: Neither has Lyr
azkyroth: Even her family?  Arkalian never really had even that... *ponders*
liamlala: Lyr's dad left her, from her perspective... her mother left her to find her father.
liamlala: She never really had much contact with Kentharil; she sort of idolises him, in a way, but also hates him for being so prejudiced against humans
azkyroth: Ah.
liamlala: Er, Kentharil is her step-brother (by her mother). Kentharil is a full elf
azkyroth: Yeah, you told me, a while back.
liamlala: 
liamlala: brb
liamlala: back
azkyroth: *nods* Arkalian never really trusted government and general society to begin with, but she developed a great deal of hat...1 sec
liamlala: k
azkyroth: Ok.  Basically, after the incident which resulted in her parting ways with her former employer, she went to the law about it and nothing came of it.  Pretty thoroughly disillusioning.
liamlala: Yeah, I can imagine.
liamlala: Lyr doesn't really have a problem with law... she thinks its a bit frivolous and stupid, and thinks that dealing with things personally is better than letting some 'government' do it
azkyroth: Arkalian hates the Amnish government in particular...and she doesn't have a problem with government in general, and recognizes its necessity, but also hates living under it.  As she tells Keldorn "I have never denied that your brand of law and order has its proper place...I simply consider that place to be as far from me as possible."
azkyroth: Government is, at best, a necessary evil, a way to minimize the damage done by people who can't be relied on to do the right thing without firm guidance and the threat of punishment hanging over their heads.  At worst, like with Amn, it's a way for the rich and powerful to stay that way, at the expense of the general public.
azkyroth: Well, that's her perspective, and she tends slightly toward a "guilty until proven innocent" view of a given governing body
liamlala: Yeah
liamlala: I think Lyr is suspicious-until-proven-guilty...  not quite guilty-until-proven-innocent
azkyroth: Well, slightly.  Her only major experience with government has been with the one that let Tiberio and Bavimas go free, so...
azkyroth: But she recognizes that in principle it can be a positive thing...just, she doesn't need either of those things, and resents having her time wasted and her space cramped by ill-reasoned restrictions and bureacratic inefficiency
liamlala: I can certainly understand that... ;0
liamlala: *
liamlala: Illyria hasn't had much experience with governments... on Evermeet, they were governed by Queen Amlauril and her Council, who she didn't really like much and didn't believe they always did the right thing.
azkyroth: As for the incident...it's the subject of the on-ship dialogue.  Tiberio was her employer; a wealthy but unscrupulous and corrupt merchant whose company, among other things, ran caravans to Baldur's Gate.  When the roads became too dangerous to make it cost-effective, he decided to cut his losses, but unwilling to abandon the trade altogether began shipping supplies to Baldur's Gate by sea.
azkyroth: She was one of the guards who accompanied the ship in case they were surprised at sea.  Kedram Bavimas was the captain of the ship.  The first couple of voyages went uneventfully, but on the way back from Baldur's Gate on the third run the crew discovered a stowaway, a teenager...the custom with stowaways is that they're put to work for the rest of the voyage to earn their keep, and then turne dover to the port authorities at the end of it (at least, that's been the general custom on Earth; no reason it would be different).  However, Bavimas just ordered him thrown overboard.
liamlala: Erk...
azkyroth: Arkalian called him on it, he cavalierly threatend to have her tossed over next, she didn't get any support from the crew, and she eventually backed down, realizing that throwing her life away to prove a point wouldn't change anything, and that the only way Bavimas was likely to face justice was if she went to the authorities.  So, she did, Tiberio and his deep pockets got involved, and the case was dismissed for lack of evidence...so she's been trying to keep a low profile for the last two weeks or so before meeting the party.
azkyroth: "Lack of evidence" being ridiculous, since it wouldn't be that difficult to ascertain via divine magic that she was indeed telling the truth.
liamlala: Yes- so she's pretty pissed at him. Does she get to poke him in the mod?
liamlala: poke/take revenge/whatever
azkyroth: Fraesyr uses her desire to bring justice to them to lure her and the party into a trap.  Arkalian does kill Tiberio, on the way out, so to speak, but I'm not sure Bavimas ever actually appears in the mod.
liamlala: Ah- yay for unresolved feelings of dislike!
liamlala: In NG Illyria's path, she has a bit of 'lets all be frustrated because we never discover what actually happened!'
azkyroth: *nods* hmm.
azkyroth: And the others?
liamlala: Well, in the neutral path she doesn't have much confrontation - its more about dealing with her personal demons
liamlala: in the evil path, I've no idea, I haven't planned that yet... >_>
azkyroth: Hmm.  As I've mentioned...I'm not doing all that much with Arkalian pathwise.  Her conversations with the player will help push her just enough to one side or the other in dealing with Paligon in TOB to make a major difference in the outcome of that plot...and the PC's input in a couple of those conversations affects how he responds, for a total of three possible outcomes of that portion of her plot.
liamlala: Yeah
liamlala: I kind of wish I could pull back Lyr's plot, or pull out a path... but I'm so attached to the whole thing, lol
azkyroth: *nods* I kinda know how that is.  Hmmm... *ponders*
liamlala: My idea at the moment is to just do the first half, then the neutral path (because thats my favourite)
liamlala: once thats done, I have a releasable mod if I get overly bored of it- if I want to continue, I'll do the evil and good paths
azkyroth: It's easier with Arkalian since the main divergence comes about halfwya through TOB
liamlala: Yeah... 
azkyroth: I'm being cryptic, aren't I. 
liamlala: Somewhat, but I'm muddling my way through 
azkyroth: *nods* Well, the details...with Arkalian and Paligon...the party first encounters him near the end of SOA, after Arkalian's quest has been completed and Bodhi dead...and Arkalian cured of vampirism, if applicable.  It's not exactly "peaceful" but ends nonviolently.  There may or may not be another encounter earlyish in TOB, but some time in early chapter 9 the party encounters him and it results in a fight.  At the end of combat he's gravely wounded and lying bleeding; various factors including PC conversations influence whether she finishes him off or lets him live.  The possible outcomes are she kills him, they go their separate ways, or they go their separate ways but some spark of compassion is reawakened in him, ultimately leading him to sacrifice himself for her sake.
liamlala: ahk. 
liamlala: in Lyr's neutral path, there is a divergence which causes Lyr to either leave earlier or later (either way she leaves the party)
liamlala: </somewhatrandom>
azkyroth: Ah.
azkyroth: Any thought to Illyria's item selection, beyond bows?
liamlala: Not really... she'd have around 500 GP, she's not exactly poor... good, strong armor, her amulet, bow, a few misceallaneous items (one minor magical one and a gem or something), and her journal
azkyroth: *nods* for Arkalian...a Knave's or Traveler's Robe, under 100 gold pieces, probably less than 50...a halberd, a longbow, some arrows, her ring, a healing potion or two, and her document case, which is basically a paperweight for most of SOA but becomes somewhat plot-important in TOB.
azkyroth: Anyway, I should get to bed x.x
azkyroth has signed out. (11/08/2006 9:44 PM)


 