by: Kae

Just on a general note.. from what I've seen when playing with Viconia, she was once 'evil' - that is, she grew up in a society where it was the norm. But when she went to the above world, her views begin to be changed. You see her become almost good in some ways, and this is why I think she is not truly evil. Feel free to dispute this! I love a good discussion big grin

AIMS

- Become Viconia's confident without romancing her - she has suffered through much at the hands of surface dwellers, and has only seen half of surface dweller nature.
- The ability to 're'corrupt Viconia - she has suffered at the hands of humans and the like, just push her over the edge to complete and utter evil.
- Work on Viconia's relationship with her family

IDEAS

- Give her the possibility of revenge against certain people who abused her in her travels on the surface

DISCUSSION TOPICS

- Did Viconia care for any in her family? Detail.
- Is Viconia actually evil?
- Should there be an option to redeem her fully? Would this be in character? 


DISCUSSION THREAD:


Arconian:

About your idea to 'recorrupt' Viccy, how would one go about this; would it be possible only in her Romance or only with your suggested friendship track? And while we're on that how would we go about completely redeeming her? Just some questions smile


Feuille:

Could anyone really 'completely' redeem her? I think that would be a little hard to believe: ok, she might stop being evil, but that doesn't stop her being a complete bitch!
If she were 'completely' redeemed, then we might lose that unpleasantness about her, and then she'd stop being Viconia: I don't know if we could do it well/convincingly.

EDIT:

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Become Viconia's confident without romancing her - she has suffered through much at the hands of surface dwellers, and has only seen half of surface dweller nature.


I like the idea, but I was just thinking, even though she's changing a lot there's still Drow in her (she speaks it, she thinks it!) ... so we would need to think about that. A friendship with a woman would have to be strong, little to no sappiness (just because they're both girls doesn't mean Viconia would cry on PCs shoulder).
Would we do a friendship track for non-interested males? Because we'd have to figure out how that would work. I would say that if male PC says "I'm not interested!" then it switches to the friendship track, but I can't see Viconia letting Mr.Charname in after he rejects her: she still has pride!


With the revenge idea: perhaps if she does take the revenge, that could be another way she is 'completely' corrupted?


Tameon:

I like the idea of a female PC Friendship, and agree that it wouldn't work for male PCs due to her getting all insulted and stuff.

As next to no banters for Viconia came up (if any) after she switched to True Neutral in ToB, it got me thinking. Does her banters still reflect that she's evil? If so, that might be something we could/should change. Or is that stepping into Banter Pack territory (something we should avoid like the plague)?

And yeah, completely redeeming her would kill the character. I admit, I wanted to do the same when I saw that all of that "redeeming" nonsense got me was TN, but in retrospect it would be too much change and make her into something she's not.

Also, she really needs more evilness if not redeemed. Evil quests or something. Anything that would be considered rude or drop the party's reputation. All the BioWare "evil" NPCs are just bullies; Viconia might be the more convincingly evil of the three (in my opinion), she still needs work. Maybe something for the Underdark, too, even if not an evil something.
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Kae:

Have any of you read 'Tankards and Tempers'? It's a BG fic (huuge one) which is really rather good. Anyway, that is the closest rendition I've ever seen of Viconia in my eyes - a humorous, bitter, deeply hurt woman who grew up in an evil society therefore is evil. You don't have to be an evil woman to befriend her.

In different circumstances, I can see her even being good. But, doesn't mean she's not a bitch! Bitchiness is part of Viconia's character, and taking that out would be like eating peanut butter and vegemite together. Not good.

I agree about the PC/Viconia friendship, but for slightly different reasons - I really don't think she could ever befriend a guy, unless they were romancing. With a female it would be entirely different - she might even open up to you, depending on how you handle her.

Personally, I don't think her banters would reflect her changed alignment much - Viconia is always going to be a bitch. A sarcastic bitch at that. wink Aligment in my eyes is a characters general stance towards morality - as demonstated by her refusal to kill the child.


I've always thought redeeming her would kill her character, but quite a few people I've talked to think otherwise, so I thought I'd ask you guys' opinions. smile
