by: Kae

AIMS

- Add more depth to Minsc's character
- Give him the grieving process he deserves
- Give him some quests, for Bhaal's sake!
- Make it possible for <CHARNAME>, if she is a mage, to become Minsc's witch (afaik this doesn't happen in the game or in any mod).

IDEAS

- Perhaps a deeper relationship with another NPC, not a romance, but something of a friendship
- Encounter with some of Ice Dragon Beserker Lodge's warriors wondering what happened to him
- perhaps an inagame conclusion to his rite of manhood, journeying to Rasheman? basically a conclusion to something I never quite felt was over.

DISCUSSION TOPICS

- Did Minsc have a deeper relationship with Dynaheir?
- If he did, how would this impact on his character?

DISCUSSION THREAD:

Arconian:

How about Minsc and Valygar becoming friends? Doesn't seem all that strange to me smile



Feuille:

I don't know ... I don't think they'd make friends, but I could see some respect being built.

I just checked on infinity explorer, and they have one official banter: Valygar basically says 'You're crazy, go get help from a priest!', and Minsc replies with 'I have seen the best and worst and all I have learnt is that Minsc is Minsc is Minsc'. And in the end, he 'tires of the debate'.

Off topic from Valygar, I did find this, Minsc says it in a conversation with Keldorn (of which there are many!):

I do not like to think of those I have lost as gone. I may not speak of them much, but they are in each swing of my sword as I avenge them!



Tameon:

I did not think Minsc could be so deep. eek

Anyway, I agree a Valygar/Minsc friendship would be a little hard to believe. I do love the interaction between the ole Hamster-tottin' ranger and Keldorn, tough (as Fueille said, there's plenty of it). Why not make that into an official Friendship type thing?

EDIT: After viewing your Minsc Development thread, I must say I like most of your ideas. The female PC Witch thing was something that should have been done in the unmodded game, deffinately. On that note, what are your thoughts on a PC/Minsc Friendship? It could change if CHARNAME is Minsc's witch or not.

Also, I really don't think him and Dynaheir had anything going on romantically. He viewed her as the neatest thing since sliced bread, and she thought of him as kind of silly but trustworthy. Nothing more. She seemed to think of him as a really strong child, so...you know...

And the whole joining the Lodge/rite of manhood; isn't that spoken of in the Epilogue? I mean, I guess we could always just change the first bit of his Epilogue (or the whole thing; I hated it). If we really want to get into it, we could make a whole new area for a Rasheman city or even just the Lodge itself. But that would be alot of work. I mean, it'd be worth it, but...



Arconian:

D'oh did I write Valygar...seriously? Embarassed
I was actually meaning to say Keldorn, sorry... big grin

Did anyone believe that, no? Too bad, but seriously I reviewed it and came to the conclusion that, once again, you guys were right and I was wrong Crying or Very sad



Feuille:

Also, I really don't think him and Dynaheir had anything going on romantically.


I definitely agree.

As for the Minsc/PC friendship, I say yes - although I'd say it would be similar to Keldorn/Minsc's interactions: One wouldn't have all indepth conversations with him. Some things would be silly, others would be oh, what's the word, superficial? I'm not entirely sure what I'm trying to say!
But definitely, Minsc would be supportive and caring to the PC. Perhaps if they're "little", as we would describe Aerie, though I'm not quite sure how we'd implement that, he'd be very protective of him/her. And if the PC is stronger and more self-sufficient (not the word I want, but what the heck), they'd have more of a camaraderie, more of a warrior's dependence on one another.



Kae:

I've never played BG1, so I don't know Dynaheir's character really well, so I'll trust you guys. smile

A Keldorn/Minsc friendship is quite possible, I can certainly see that. Keldorn, I think, would accept Minsc as is. He just seems to be that kind of guy. They would, uh, jest in good natured camaderie, they would have mock-fights (throw nuts at the squirrels, Boo! Quick! anyone?).

And.. Hey! Minsc is all depth, dammit! big grin I think a lot of his comments have a deeper meaning.

How about a fun topic of conversation? What does Boo represent? Is Boo actually intelligent, or is he a manifestation of Minsc's inner genius?

Personally I think Boo actually is intelligent. Elminster sold him, so he must have SOMETHING special about him, because Elminster is one of the most overpowered Faerunian guys out there big grin



Tameon:

Yeah. Ao hax0rd the system because he wants Elminster to win.

Ahem...too much Pepsi...

Boo is deffinately a genius, no buts (or butts) about it. I mean, who would doubt Minsc?

Keldorn/Minsc Friendship sounds good, but I honestly think we should focus on PC Interaction with the NPCs first and foremost. That is what the name of the mod is, right? But NPC/NPC stuff is all well and good, too.


Kae:

 thought I'd post one of the ideas I had for a Minsc friendship... concerned with the death of Dynaheir. Remember when he says 'We will not cry! Well, maybe a little!' or something similar? Well... now is that time. Or something.

Aaand typically, I've forgotten what I was going to write. XD basically, the structure of the conversation would be something like this. Note: this isn't particularly written in traditional minsc talk, its just a concept.

Minsc: Ah <CHARNAME>, Dynaheir's... Dynaheir's death weighs heavily upon my mind, and I- I don't know what to do. Boo advises me to accept, and move on, but.... I feel such pain in my heart, and I find myself losing control in battle more often. Boo is worried, and Minsc is as well.


1: Dynaheir was obviously weak, which is why she died. Dying proves a person weak, and if you are weak you die. It is a simple fact.

2: Oh, Minsc... The death of a friend is a sad and painful thing to happen, let alone witness. I.... I feel at least partly responsible for Dynaheir's death, I must confess. If not for me, she would not have been captured by Irenicus. Wanting revenge on Irenicus is a perfectly normal reaction, but you should try to save it for him...

3: Minsc, I've seen you in battle. You throw yourself at the enemy, and I wonder if you have a deathwish or somesuch. We need you alive and healthy, Minsc. Please, you need to realise that I- we forgive you. You simply need to forgive yourself.

4: I have learned to dissasociate myself from my companions for this sole reason, Minsc. You form a friendship, and when they die, you feel so much pain you feel like dying yourself. I advise you not to form friendships. Save yourself from the pain.



something like that, with maybe another evil option smile



Tameon:

 Very nice! Just be sure that the entire Friendship is not focused on Dynaheir, ala the Aerie romance and her wings (or lack thereof).



Arconian:

*thumbsup* 'Nuff said big grin.
You really seem to know Minsc's character, good show!