I didn't see this anywhere, so I am just curious, what NPC's does Irenicus have dialogue with? And by this I mean other downloadable ones - like Kelsey, Solaufein, Chloe etc?
Banter: Other NPCs
Started by Adia, Sep 03 2004 02:50 AM
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 04:41 AM
No banters with custom npcs were implemented. There is no plans for these either. Only original Bioware ones. The reason is -- authorship isa very tricky issue. I fear that my personal interpretetion of the custom charcater might go against the author's wish.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 04:59 AM
That's a shame, especially since I can imagine it could be quite interesting. Have you thought of approaching the makers of the various mods? (Not to be pushy, more that it would be a valuable addition).
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 06:28 AM
Lol, no I did not approach anybody. Neither do I plan to do so. But I have no objections against the authors of other mods adding these banters if they so desire. Irenicus is after all a very well defined character, and our team of authors tried to do our best to make him sound 'authentic'. Yet I know for sure that some authors at least consider this md an abomination and blasphemy. How can I add banters with any npcs if for all I know the author of that npc might think their character would attack JI on first sight rather than chatting with him?
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:16 AM
But if that's an appropriate response for that particular NPC, then what's the harm to have two NPCs snarl at each other or break into a fight? It's not like BioWare never did that. You can always set it up so that the PC can stop them from killing each other if s/he so chooses.Yet I know for sure that some authors at least consider this md an abomination and blasphemy. How can I add banters with any npcs if for all I know the author of that npc might think their character would attack JI on first sight rather than chatting with him?
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:24 AM
Who would win in a fight, Irenicus or Tsujatha?
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:53 AM
But if that's an appropriate response for that particular NPC, then what's the harm to have two NPCs snarl at each other or break into a fight? It's not like BioWare never did that. You can always set it up so that the PC can stop them from killing each other if s/he so chooses.
I already have quite a few conflicts with original Bio npcs coded in: Minsk and Jaheira to be precise. As well as all goodies reactions to various turns and twists of the plot. If we start adding banters and conflicts to all two dozen or so npcs added by various mods, I fear it will take another 2 years. Besides, this will create another problem: 'why was this custom npc banter added and that was not'? As well as quite reasonable series of complaints form the authors : 'my npc would never say that' !
At least with original Bio ones I can only be sued by Bio itself
which is unlikely. Once again -- I have nothing against adding conflicts and banters between JI and custom npcs -- it is just I personally rather not do it, and leave it to the authors of these mods *if* they find the idea appealing.
Most likely this mod was my last big modding project related to BG series. It is unlikely that I will ever write another mod or even a banter -- unless some of the older ideas/promises will come to fruition.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 07:56 AM
Who would win in a fight, Irenicus or Tsujatha?
Tsk -- I fear Sillara is the best person to ask this question of... I have no idea what hidden powers her character possesses. JI can 'only' use Rapture of the Father on every opponent. :nana:
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 08:31 AM
It is unlikely that I will ever write another mod or even a banter -- unless some of the older ideas/promises will come to fruition.
Er.. Eldoth?
Er.. Eldoth?
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 09:28 AM
Er.. Eldoth?
I knew there is no hope you will forget about it... Let me recover my wits first ok? I was so overstressed over releasing LR and the string of small bugs, that I am still slightly off-balance. And my writing moods are very tricky. Right now I cannot seem to force a single line out of myself... Yes yes... it is unfair to complain. But I am having the blues again about the whole modding business. We shall see if I will recover from this one.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 09:42 AM
Take your time 
as for blues...
Jivopistcyy okunite vashi kisti
v suetu dvorov moskovskih i v zaryu
chtobyy byyli vashi kisti slovno list'ya
slovno list'ya slovno list'ya k noyabryu
as for blues...Jivopistcyy okunite vashi kisti
v suetu dvorov moskovskih i v zaryu
chtobyy byyli vashi kisti slovno list'ya
slovno list'ya slovno list'ya k noyabryu
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 09:53 AM
Я соглашаюсь, что от treehouse - лягушка, мечут икру рожденный, чтобы служить в армии в пределах США и моего скоростного судна, будучи полным угрей, должны не быть яички когда атаковано бешеными бобрами.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:10 AM
Impressive. Sounds like a very drunk Limonov. I suggest replacing "treehouse" with "skvoreshnik"
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:17 AM
Я соглашаюсь, что от treehouse - лягушка, мечут икру рожденный, чтобы служить в армии в пределах США и моего скоростного судна, будучи полным угрей, должны не быть яички когда атаковано бешеными бобрами.
I agree that from 'treehouse' - a frog puts their eggs [ mixed plural and singular as in the original] , born to serve in the army inside the US and my speedboat, being full of eels, should not have small eggs [or balls -- yes russian has strange similies] after being attacked by rabid beavers.
Hmm, Sim, that was a bit odd for a comment, even coming from you...
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:20 AM
Nuh, I think Limonov beats him by miles... Danil Harms?
Zil na svete chelovek skrutchennie nozki
i hodil on tselyi vek pos skrutchennoi dorozke...
Suits Sim very well methinks.
Zil na svete chelovek skrutchennie nozki
i hodil on tselyi vek pos skrutchennoi dorozke...
Suits Sim very well methinks.
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
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Redemption mod
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 10:27 AM
Hmm... I think one of my friends considered Harms a non-recognized genius... But you are right - only one "balls" in 3 lines is somewhat inadequate for Limonov's imitation.
I'd go with:
"A ya malen'kiy sovsem zato sam moshek yem..." but shoot me if I know where it coming from... Paustovskiy?
I'd go with:
"A ya malen'kiy sovsem zato sam moshek yem..." but shoot me if I know where it coming from... Paustovskiy?
Edited by domi, 03 September 2004 - 10:28 AM.
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Posted 03 September 2004 - 05:11 PM
any chance of jonny becoming part of the crossmod banter pack, that way you wouldn't have to seek out or risk pissing off other modders.
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Posted 06 September 2004 - 06:24 PM
:turnip2: I think wassaname Grim was talking about it some time ago... Have not seen him around for some time. I would not mind -- but myself I doubt I will be involved. For one thing I never installed a single mod with custom npc... call it a superstition or lack of trust, but I have no idea how they would fit into the game and I do not wish to ruin it for myself by running into a poorly written one-day or one weekend character. Reading some of the tra files of some of the mods put me off non-Bio npcs for good...
Freedom cannot be equated with goodness, virtue, or perfection. Freedom has its own unique self-contained nature; freedom is freedom ? not universal goodness. Any confusion or deliberate equalization of freedom with goodness and excellence is in itself negation of freedom, and acceptance of the path of restraint and enforcement.
Nikolai Berdyaev - Christian Existentialist, Philosopher of Freedom.
The Longer Road mod
Redemption mod
Bitter Grey Ashes
