Different, definitly different
Gods!
Started by Michel, May 27 2004 06:38 AM
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so, if I was to eat this I'd see the ghosts that haunted me?
Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:14 AM
I apparently have a high level of empathy, combined with a low level of sympathy... weird
In the wake of destruction progress is made
I am who I am, and none shall change me
In the wake of destruction progress is made
I am who I am, and none shall change me
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 08:54 AM
Well defeting an AVATAR wont defet the god. The god could send more avatars, Avatars are just a manifestion of the gods will. the more powerfull the god the more powerfull the avatar (usually). To kill a god totally is a bit more tricky.
Well the "stats" as you say for the gods are really more for the occational high level play. ocationally you do need some stats. (example the official campaign where you save Waukeen)
Once again, i agree that most persons would retire their characters sometimes before lvl20 at least, (or should, depending). But there are those that are more interested in hacking things to bits than roleplaying
and when there is nothing else to keep them hacking, send in a few avatars.
different people/players/dm's different tastes.
EDIT: anyone want a good way to kill of a bunch of Munchkin players, let Mystr and Tempus temp ally against palyers and send one avatar of each. usually enough to stopp anything. Mystra makes tehm unable to use magic at all, and Tempus just really rules the combat.
Well the "stats" as you say for the gods are really more for the occational high level play. ocationally you do need some stats. (example the official campaign where you save Waukeen)
Once again, i agree that most persons would retire their characters sometimes before lvl20 at least, (or should, depending). But there are those that are more interested in hacking things to bits than roleplaying
and when there is nothing else to keep them hacking, send in a few avatars. different people/players/dm's different tastes.
EDIT: anyone want a good way to kill of a bunch of Munchkin players, let Mystr and Tempus temp ally against palyers and send one avatar of each. usually enough to stopp anything. Mystra makes tehm unable to use magic at all, and Tempus just really rules the combat.
Edited by raptor, 15 June 2004 - 08:56 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 09:03 AM
A lesser power can have 2 avatars at the same time, an intermediate power 5 and a greater power 10.
By the way, how could you kill a god ???
To kill a god totally is a bit more tricky.
By the way, how could you kill a god ???
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 09:18 AM
You would have to face the god in their home realm and defeat them there, note that in their own realm they are rather though, especially since entire realm is usually an extension of their will. this aplies for any god with own realm at least. even trickier with most of teh good/neutral gods, like say for example you wanted to kill Torm, then you find Ilmater and Tyr guarding him.... oops!
EDIT: /me whacks faulty ramchip with a IBM harddrive!
as far as i know, it has only been accomplished twice (Forgotten Realms). once when the three mortals named Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul sought out and challenged the god Jergal to take hes power. and Second time when Mystra, Oghma, the then non godly Kelemvor and a few others i dont remember atm charged down into the realm of teh dead to Dethrone Cyric, he fled rather than fight. There might be more but those are the ones i have seen. Time of Troubles was something completelly different.
EDIT: Cyric, yeah i was just about to edit that in .... about lack of followers....
EDIT: /me whacks faulty ramchip with a IBM harddrive!
as far as i know, it has only been accomplished twice (Forgotten Realms). once when the three mortals named Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul sought out and challenged the god Jergal to take hes power. and Second time when Mystra, Oghma, the then non godly Kelemvor and a few others i dont remember atm charged down into the realm of teh dead to Dethrone Cyric, he fled rather than fight. There might be more but those are the ones i have seen. Time of Troubles was something completelly different.
EDIT: Cyric, yeah i was just about to edit that in .... about lack of followers....
Edited by raptor, 15 June 2004 - 09:26 AM.
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 09:23 AM
Or you could wait for the next Time of Troubles 
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Well a god can die by lack of worshipers too (Amaunator)
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Well a god can die by lack of worshipers too (Amaunator)
Edited by Cyric, 15 June 2004 - 09:25 AM.
I am the whispers in your head
Letting you know you're the next one dead
I am the blade that cuts your skin
That forgives yourself for all your sin
I am the guilt that gnaws your soul
Corrodes the heart to a gaping hole
The hammers pounding all around
So you beat the walls to rid the sound
I am your memories, distorted and loud
That make you scream and shreik aloud
Yes, I make you crazy, it's all my fault
That we're here alone in this cushoined vault
Letting you know you're the next one dead
I am the blade that cuts your skin
That forgives yourself for all your sin
I am the guilt that gnaws your soul
Corrodes the heart to a gaping hole
The hammers pounding all around
So you beat the walls to rid the sound
I am your memories, distorted and loud
That make you scream and shreik aloud
Yes, I make you crazy, it's all my fault
That we're here alone in this cushoined vault
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Posted 15 June 2004 - 09:27 AM
Also, the more powerful god, the less time it needs to replace an avatar that's been destroyed. An entire year for a demipower, a month for a lesser power, a week for an intermediate power and only a day for a greater power.A lesser power can have 2 avatars at the same time, an intermediate power 5 and a greater power 10.
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Posted 16 June 2004 - 12:21 PM
Good calls: Kelemvor 16, Correllon 19 and Torm 8.Don't forget Shar is something like the second oldest deity in all of Aber-Toril, being older than the world itself, etc.
Kelemvor: I'd say 16 or 17.
Correllon: 18 or 19?
Torm: 8 or 9?
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Posted 16 June 2004 - 02:09 PM
Yep, Torm is pretty lame in value, oh well, I still like him anyway
How many worlds do the gods take charge over? Is it just Aber-Toril or are there others?
How many worlds do the gods take charge over? Is it just Aber-Toril or are there others?
Power for the Keep, Power for the Zhentarim!
Defy me and die!
Defy me and die!
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Posted 16 June 2004 - 05:08 PM
Most of the worlds in the D&Dverse have gods, though they're not neccessarily the same gods. Both Oerth (Greyhawk) and Krynn (Dragonlance) have virtually no deities in common with the Forgotten Realms.
There are some worlds that don't have any gods, f.ex Athas (Dark Sun), and AFAIK no deities have power in the void between solar systems (called "crystal spheres")
There are some worlds that don't have any gods, f.ex Athas (Dark Sun), and AFAIK no deities have power in the void between solar systems (called "crystal spheres")
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Posted 30 June 2004 - 02:24 PM
Aren't crystal spheres universes or at least galaxies?
Does Spelljammer take place in the void between spheres or inside the spheres?
Where is it rumoured that Ravenloft exists, I think it can be reached from anywhere
I heard somewhere that Chaos was rumoured to be the brother of Ao or something and the being that talks to Ao at the end of te Avatar series is the DM
Does Spelljammer take place in the void between spheres or inside the spheres?
Where is it rumoured that Ravenloft exists, I think it can be reached from anywhere
I heard somewhere that Chaos was rumoured to be the brother of Ao or something and the being that talks to Ao at the end of te Avatar series is the DM
Edited by Necaradan, 30 June 2004 - 02:26 PM.
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Posted 30 June 2004 - 02:58 PM
Crystal spheres are basically the D&D equivalent of solar systems.
Spelljammer takes place in both; it would be a bit boring without any planets, and they obviously need to cross something to get from one sphere to another.
Ravenloft is another plane of existence (or rather, demiplane), and can be reached from any other plane of existence which it's connected to. This includes the Prime Material Plane, where Aber-Toril, Krynn, Oerth, Athas, etc are located.
Ao's master being the DM is only one interpretation, though it seems to be the most popular.
Spelljammer takes place in both; it would be a bit boring without any planets, and they obviously need to cross something to get from one sphere to another.
Ravenloft is another plane of existence (or rather, demiplane), and can be reached from any other plane of existence which it's connected to. This includes the Prime Material Plane, where Aber-Toril, Krynn, Oerth, Athas, etc are located.
Ao's master being the DM is only one interpretation, though it seems to be the most popular.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:17 AM
Can anyone tell me who all the greater powers currently are?
Also their alignments pls, thanx
Also their alignments pls, thanx
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 11:10 AM
I assume you mean just the greater powers of the Forgotten Realms? Currently (1373 in the Realms), there's Angharradh, Corellon Larethian, Moradin, Yondalla, Garl Glittergold, Akadi, Bane, Chauntea, Cyric, Grumbar, Istishia, Kelemvor, Kossuth, Lathander, Mystra, Oghma, Shar, Silvanus, Sune, Talos, Tempus, and Tyr.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 12:46 PM
Can a quasi-deity/hero-deity EVER become a demigod, but not an avatar..? In sense, not quite following full demigod criteria, but unable to be avatar-ised, you die on Toril, you're really dead?
i.e. grant spells, have followers/temple but no full plane of residence like Hanali Celanil, Corellon Larethian, Tyr, Ilmater?
i.e. grant spells, have followers/temple but no full plane of residence like Hanali Celanil, Corellon Larethian, Tyr, Ilmater?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:27 PM
This isn't really a question about a god but about his followers (close enough on be on topic, I hope): can priests of Gond be of any race or must they be gnomes?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 01:37 PM
They can be any, I have read of human priests/priestesses of GondThis isn't really a question about a god but about his followers (close enough on be on topic, I hope): can priests of Gond be of any race or must they be gnomes?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 03:37 PM
Gond is actually primarily a human deity. Many gnomes worship him as well, but they tend to call him Nebelun. Dwarves don't tend to worship Gond because they have their own deities of invention and creation, particularly Moradin and Dugmaren Brightmantle. Similarly, elven artisans and designers generally worship either Corellon Larethian or Hanali Celanil, and halfling crasftsmen have Cyrrollalee and Yondalla.
Edited by NiGHTMARE, 01 July 2004 - 03:46 PM.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 06:52 PM
Ah, that clears things up a bit. Thanks for the info.
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 09:07 PM
Are there any/is it possible to have, clerics/paladins/rangers/druids/monks that follow Ao directly?
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Posted 01 July 2004 - 10:21 PM
If I remember correctly after AO revealed his/her existance during the time of troubles, a few people tryed to worship him. The church died out swiftly because AO didn't grant spells or powers to the worshipers. And they tended to die fast.
Edited by Shadow Angel, 01 July 2004 - 10:22 PM.
