Torture descriptions mod
#1
Posted 30 April 2006 - 06:21 AM
So I think BG2 doesn't really show what <CHARNAME> has went through and what impact on em. Tortures are only shown as casting of spells on PC, but we don't know what <CHARNAME> feels.
Also we see only a few moments of "tortures". All of this makes player very distanced from PC.
I remember that when I was reading about tortures in George Orwell's 1984 the pain of protagonist was almost palpable, so I think that the fact that people are distanced from tortures because "it's not part of their reality" is a result of incompetence of writers.
I think that a mod that would add tortures as a serie of cutscenes with verbose descriptions of tortures and some possible responses would portray the subject better.
#2 -Guest-
Posted 30 April 2006 - 07:34 AM
"PLEASE STOP."
"NO MORE! PLEASE! I BEG YOU."
#3
Posted 30 April 2006 - 08:24 AM
What is good in serious dystopia novel is inappropriate in computer game.
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#4
Posted 30 April 2006 - 09:04 AM
BG2 with it's abductions, tortures, slums, everpresent corruption, cloaked wizards, anti-mages terror, and cyborg-like golems is grim and serious in comparision to BG1 and other IE games.
I remember that a lot of players in my country complained that BG2 has more in common with Cyberpunk than with Forgotten Realms.
I think that computer cRPGs like BG2 should be treated as serious games too.
Edited by Delight, 30 April 2006 - 09:09 AM.
#5
Posted 30 April 2006 - 09:11 AM
#6
Posted 30 April 2006 - 09:14 AM
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#7
Posted 30 April 2006 - 09:21 AM
I rather thought about something more suggestive and descriptive.Yeah but what do you actually gain from reading line after line of 'Irenicus slices your cock in half' other than going 'what the fuck's wrong with the person who wrote this?'
#8
Posted 30 April 2006 - 09:33 AM
*looking around* Huh? No one says it? Well, I guess that it falls to me then.Who says that BG2 should be "fun"?
Oooh-kay... BG2 should be fun
No, seriously - all this abductions, corruption, killing and other likewise stuff is indeed fun as long as it doesn't involve player (not his protagonist!) directly. BTW, speaking of rape & TDD - yeah, it was fun as well to butcher this jailor that raped Viconia But the very moment when you'll make player to actually "feel" the torture, to share feelings of protagonist being tortured - nah, it wouldn't be fun anymore.
I do believe that there's no such thing as "serious game". It's either game or something seriousI think that computer cRPGs like BG2 should be treated as serious games too.
Edited by Creepin, 30 April 2006 - 09:35 AM.
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#9
Posted 30 April 2006 - 10:33 AM
I do believe that there's no such thing as "serious game". It's either game or something serious
Argh! Who dares intrude upon the sacred ground that is Planescape: Torment?!? FLAME!
*Coughs* Sorry 'bout that. No, seriously, I bet people said that about books once. And also about movies. Games can have serious points, there's nothing preventing them from it.
@Delight:
Hrhrm...
In PS:T you truly felt the agony of the protagonist, without any terribly detailed torture sequences, where the pain of the Nameless One was so explicitly outlined that you almost hurled. Baldur's Gate doesn't need more torture to make it a serious game, it needs a whole new (i.e. darker) setting. So unless you wan't to remake the whole game into a game with a dark atmosphere, I don't see how you would make it more serious. It's hardly serious to be thrown into a horrifying torture scene, after which you crawl into the overall bright Baldur's Gate game.
Edited by Grunker, 30 April 2006 - 10:36 AM.
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#10
Posted 30 April 2006 - 11:27 AM
It already involves player.No, seriously - all this abductions, corruption, killing and other likewise stuff is indeed fun as long as it doesn't involve player (not his protagonist!) directly. BTW, speaking of rape & TDD - yeah, it was fun as well to butcher this jailor that raped Viconia But the very moment when you'll make player to actually "feel" the torture, to share feelings of protagonist being tortured - nah, it wouldn't be fun anymore.
I see that you don't know too much about RPGs. There a lot of serious games out there, Vampire: The Masquerade or The Call Of Cthulhu for example.I do believe that there's no such thing as "serious game". It's either game or something seriousI think that computer cRPGs like BG2 should be treated as serious games too.
I never played any of those, but when I was a kid I've read a lot of polish Magia i Miecz (Sword & Sorcery) magazines and I've learned a lot about roleplaying characters and I know that such game doesn't have to be funny or even pleasant. The most important thing is feeling what character should feel and acting as character should act.
Sometimes it means deadly serious or morbid things. Suffering is also roleplaying.
I think that it would require different dialogues that show how trauma of being tortured has affected PC rather than a new setting. It's not an unheard thing that a tortured person is released into a overall bright world, but ey doesn't cease to be a victim of torture.In PS:T you truly felt the agony of the protagonist, without any terribly detailed torture sequences, where the pain of the Nameless One was so explicitly outlined that you almost hurled. Baldur's Gate doesn't need more torture to make it a serious game, it needs a whole new (i.e. darker) setting. So unless you wan't to remake the whole game into a game with a dark atmosphere, I don't see how you would make it more serious. It's hardly serious to be thrown into a horrifying torture scene, after which you crawl into the overall bright Baldur's Gate game.
#11
Posted 30 April 2006 - 11:29 AM
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#12
Posted 30 April 2006 - 11:54 AM
To a certain degree. Wasn't your original idea exactly about increasing this degree of involvement?It already involves player.But the very moment when you'll make player to actually "feel" the torture, to share feelings of protagonist being tortured - nah, it wouldn't be fun anymore.
Ah, now I see. It seems that your mention of Orwell confuses me, so apparently we were talking about different kinds of "seriousness".I see that you don't know too much about RPGs. There a lot of serious games out there, Vampire: The Masquerade or The Call Of Cthulhu for example.I do believe that there's no such thing as "serious game". It's either game or something serious
I never played any of those, but when I was a kid I've read a lot of polish Magia i Miecz (Sword & Sorcery) magazines and I've learned a lot about roleplaying characters and I know that such game doesn't have to be funny or even pleasant. The most important thing is feeling what character should feel and acting as character should act.
Sometimes it means deadly serious or morbid things. Suffering is also roleplaying.
I do agree that one could roleplay practically anything, pain and suffering included, but how many players do you think would really want or enjoy in-depth roleplaying suffering?
P.S. I believe I have a fair chance to win should we start "CRPG's played" contest, so let's just skip it perhaps?
Edited by Creepin, 30 April 2006 - 12:06 PM.
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#13
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:11 PM
What we really need is more sex descriptions.
K&Z/Circle crossmod?
(I'll be honest, I almost accidently typed KFC/Circle crossmod)
#14
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:14 PM
All trve cvlt roleplaying fans .I do agree that one could roleplay practically anything, pain and suffering included, but how many players do you think would really want or enjoy in-depth roleplaying suffering?
#15
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:15 PM
Yes, please.K&Z/Circle crossmod?
What we really need is more sex descriptions.
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#16
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:19 PM
#17
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:40 PM
#18
Posted 30 April 2006 - 12:58 PM
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#19 -Ggib Eht-
Posted 30 April 2006 - 01:09 PM
As I already said, such a mod would be totally useless without gemRBK&Z/Circle crossmod?
However, there is much request for Triangle mod, so that'll be my next goal. I'll start soon a poll asking for your favorite trio for the mod.
#20
Posted 30 April 2006 - 01:10 PM
As I already said, such a mod would be totally useless without gemRB
K&Z/Circle crossmod?
However, there is much request for Triangle mod, so that'll be my next goal. I'll start soon a poll asking for your favorite trio for the mod.
Sewage Golem, Phaere and Ao.