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#1 UnholyAngel

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:48 PM

In my last install, I got a CTD,when I tried to level my F/M/Lorekeeper of Ogma up, as soon as I reached the HLA-Levels. I suspect this was due to Refinment. I know it is stated that this causes problems, but is there any way to manualy assign a HLA-table to such a combination or is there another workaround?

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#2 the bigg

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 04:02 PM

I don't think there's a way around this, sorry. Also, don't cheat and report bugs :)

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#3 Eric P.

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 05:18 PM

I'd rather see that there is no possibility of using a kit with a multiclass character anyway. That's always the way my gaming friends and I have played. Better still would be the ability to play BGII games using 3.5e rules, but I realize that's not likely to ever be possible.

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 06:36 PM

I'd rather see that there is no possibility of using a kit with a multiclass character anyway. That's always the way my gaming friends and I have played. Better still would be the ability to play BGII games using 3.5e rules, but I realize that's not likely to ever be possible.

Technically, the engine allows you to kit a multiclass character (with one kit) so I dunno if it's "illegal." So does the Level 1 NPCs mod for that matter. As for 3.5e rules, BG has always used 2e rules which are quite stable (and better IMHO) but we needn't get into that here, as there are plenty of other threads for that discussion on this forum and others.

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:13 AM

It's not possible to achieve this without game editors (it can't even be made possible by game mods).

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#6 Miloch

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 03:06 PM

It's not possible to achieve this without game editors (it can't even be made possible by game mods).

Kit a multiclass with one kit? Even a F/M/C? I've done it with Level 1 NPCs. Oh, if you're talking about PCs, it only works on NPCs currently, but they level up just the same (and it even has a deprecated component to mod exported PCs, but it's quirky and deprecated for that reason).

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#7 the bigg

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 03:32 PM

You can't make a mod that allows you to select that directly in-game.

And, no matter how much you try to discuss semantics, I don't know how to, nor have any interest in fixing this bug.

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#8 Eric P.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:52 AM

I'd rather see that there is no possibility of using a kit with a multiclass character anyway. That's always the way my gaming friends and I have played. Better still would be the ability to play BGII games using 3.5e rules, but I realize that's not likely to ever be possible.

Technically, the engine allows you to kit a multiclass character (with one kit) so I dunno if it's "illegal." So does the Level 1 NPCs mod for that matter. As for 3.5e rules, BG has always used 2e rules which are quite stable (and better IMHO) but we needn't get into that here, as there are plenty of other threads for that discussion on this forum and others.


Interesting POV, and yes, threads undoubtedly abound elsewhere, so...all I'll add is that, IIRC, 2E PnP games didn't allow an MC character to take a kit, as it was special enough for a character to MC (and back then, humans were sadly not allowed to MC).

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 04:18 AM

What about Gnomes? They're able to select multi-class illusionists legally.

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Posted 24 December 2007 - 02:21 PM

Gnomes had to select Illusionist if they were taking a F/M combination.
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#11 Miloch

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Posted 01 January 2008 - 06:38 PM

Gnomes had to select Illusionist if they were taking a F/M combination.

Right, but I think Guest's point was it's a legal "multiclass kit" combo, whereas the bigg's point was that all multiclass kits are illegal. And no, I wasn't the "Guest" in case anyone's wondering, though it looks like the sort of comment I'd make.

Edit: And that really should have occurred to me already anyway, since in my "Gnomes" mini-mod, I'd already adjusted all gnome mages to be illusionists if they weren't already, since that's the only legal mage kit for them.

Edited by Miloch, 01 January 2008 - 06:41 PM.

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#12 Caedwyr

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Posted 04 January 2008 - 05:51 PM

It was my understanding that the game treats multiclasses more as separate classes than as some sort of ClassA + ClassB amalgamation. In which case, I'd guess that it would be more of a Illusionist/Thief class rather than a kitting of the Mage class in the multiclass combo.
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