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[dorotea]

IT SEEMS AMELISSAN IS WILLING TO GAMBLE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRULY HERS. THE PETITIONER IS MINE! HE WAS SENTENCED TO THE BLOOD WARS FOR ETHERNITY, AND I WAS WILLING TO LEND HIS ESSENCE TO THE PRIESTESS FOR A TIME ... FOR THE SAKE OF RETRIBUTION ON THE WRETCHED BHAALCHILD, AND FUTURE ALLIANCES. BUT NOT SO ANYMORE! IRENICUS IS A VALUABLE ASSET, AND THE ONE I WILL NOT RISK LOSING WITHOUT EXTRACTING PAYMENT FROM THE CHILD FIRST!

Do your truly crave your ultimate destruction, Hellspawn? I shall grant you this desire, since you?ve now entered the Throne of Blood, one Demiplane of the Abyss were my powers are superior to yours, and where I can grant you the True Death.

YOU DARE SPEAK TO ME IN THIS INSOLENT MANNER, MORTAL? YOUR IGNORANCE IS PATETIC. YOU HAVE BESTED THE PRINCE OF DEMONS ONCE BUT YOU CAN NEVER DESTROY ME EVEN HERE, AS YOU DO NOT HOLD THE KEY TO MY IMMORTALITY. I WILL RISK LITTLE, AS I CAN ALWAYS TELEPORT TO SAFETY OF MY ABYSSAL REALM, BUT YOU SHALL DIE SCEAMING, EVEN AS YOUR POWERS WILL BE DRAINED TO ENHANCE MINE!

So what do you think? How does it sound as a speech for a prince of demons? Too short? Too long? What about the motivation?

[Hendryk]

You really got to like his attitude. However...

The first paragraph starts off as though Mel is the offender, so if anything it ought to end up a three-way fight. Also, if D could die the Final Death at the throne, I seriously doubt he'd come himself without compulsion - no matter how ticked off he was, he wouldn't get THAT stupid over it. Even with his soul object tucked away, the Throne of Bhaal would seem too close to 'home' and too powerful for him to go there voluntarily.

As far as compulsion goes, however, the dust of the slain Prime Material form is a powerful component for summoning the same demon in the Abyss. If Mel had cleaned up after the PC in Watcher's Keep, she'd be able to summon and even command Demogorgon (complete with his soul object) at the Throne, the nexus of her own power. This would be a nice touch of irony - using a great feat of the PC's (killing Demo) against him/her in the final battle. A final twist would be using the "borrowed" Irenicus to do the actual summoning, since he'd have more experience at that sort of thing that she would. This would also make old Jon a very key player indeed whether he decided to support either side or (with Demogorgon's enforced help) try take the Throne for himself. I realize how convoluted this is but would get nasty and would certainly be fun to play. Hell, you might even give the PC the option of picking up the dust in the Keep for his/her own future use.

[dorotea]

A final twist would be using the "borrowed" Irenicus to do the actual summoning, since he'd have more experience at that sort of thing that she would. This would also make old Jon a very key player indeed whether he decided to support either side or (with Demogorgon's enforced help) try take the Throne for himself.

tsk tsk, tempting. even though it will probably require total revamp of the mod. you see, the Demo fight was supposed to happen in place of Jon-Bodhi and few stray Solars fight. In my version it is after Mel teleports away leaving Bodhi to die after Jon switches sides, so she can gain some time. Now if I uses the dust thing ... well the mod will definitely get longer.

I suppose I can write this sequence.

By the way, I especially indicated that you CANNOT kill him permanently
even there. Remember :

YOU CAN NEVER DESTROY ME EVEN HERE, AS YOU DO NOT HOLD THE KEY TO MY IMMORTALITY. I WILL RISK LITTLE, AS I CAN ALWAYS TELEPORT TO SAFETY OF MY ABYSSAL REALM

Because you have mentioned it is really a very tricky and hardly believable thing.

Do you think it is feasible to destroy Demo permanently after summoning him with his own dust? I can write this in, but I am hesitative.

The temptation can go three ways - PC can be asked to hand Jon over and let Demo walk away with his prized possession, too.

[Hendryk]

Let's not forget the Solar either. Although she's supposed to be strictly an observer, she's also Good and having Demogorgan involved might give her an excuse to appear as a combatant as well (Demogorgon being a Power in his own right has no business being involved in the resolution of the Bhaal saga as per Ao).

Actually, though, I was thinking more in terms of having Irenicus (as the actual summoner) either dismiss Demogorgon (if he switches sides) or turning him against Mel if he decides to act on his own. He always wanted to be a god, after all, and this would seem to be as good a chance as any.

As far as actually permanently killing Demogorgon, I'd vote 'no' at the throne although the Solar might (as a reward!?!) teleport the PC to D's plane to finish him off if asked to - and if anyone felt like modding another layer of the abyss.

[dorotea]

Actually, though, I was thinking more in terms of having Irenicus (as the actual summoner) either dismiss Demogorgon (if he switches sides) or turning him against Mel if he decides to act on his own. He always wanted to be a god, after all, and this would seem to be as good a chance as any.

Yes, I see your point. But since the mod is actually about redeeming Jon and giving him another chance it is a bit twisted to let this happen afetr PC went through the very lengthy conversation of convincing him to switch sides and gave an oath to talk the Seldarine into giving him another trial. The trial by the way happens just before the final choice and Jon gets another punishment and a new soul as per that ending.

I think I can do it this way:

1. If PC chooses not to redeem Jon Mel maketh him summon Demo with dust

2. If PC talked Jon into the party and gave oath Jon stays with him and Mel does the summoning herself

3. If PC talked Jon into switching sides but did not give an oath Jon turns on both Mel and PC and summons Demo for his own ends. Mel jumps the ship and retreats.

Feasible?

[Hendryk]

Sure. You know the logic of the whole mod; I'm just tossing ideas at a bit of dialogue.

Unrelated question, though. Does petitioning the Seldarine on Jon's behalf require the PC to assume godhood?

[dorotea]

No. He/she just have to be of neutral or good alignment. And what Irenicus gets for his trouble is not that nice either, since he is sentenced to re-experience every one of his tortures and killings on his own skin, and than is stripped of 29 levels to level 1 and turned back into elf mage of neutral alignment. The good thing is he is given back his old face and sent back to Material Plane with new soul (human mortal one) to re-live his life and earn back his connection to the elven spirit, which he eventually does in the epilogue.

[Hendryk]

Thanks. I really wanted to know if I shouldn't bring a girlfriend along for this ride; they all get soooo disappointed if I leave.

[dorotea]

I suppose you meant it sounds a bit like a soap opera?

LOL!

Take care.