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#1 T.G.Maestro

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 08:12 AM

I was wondering about Yikari's HLA table (which is the default monk table ATM as I know). Taking all his talents with swords into consideration, I'm a bit undecided weather he should really use the monk table with all of it's specific abilities and bonuses for the (unarmed) monk, or would benefit more from the Kensai table?

PS.: of course I was referring to the Refinements HLA System here, since the unmodded game doesn't make any difference between a Kensai and a Monk table.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 09:34 AM

Send me a pm about how I could make kensai HLAs an optional component. I am interested.

Fortunate that you chose this time to mention it, since 1.2 is underway :).

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 09:47 AM

I'm not very skilled with this stuff, but I'm sure all kit-modders can give you a nice tip if you ask in the Help forums. All I know is that you have to set the kit to use the specified LUxyz.2DA table. In this case you'll have to make two different kits I guess, but as I said, I'm not an expert in this area.
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 01:04 PM

Does anybody know if this is possible without making a new kit?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 12:53 AM

Try to avoid optional kits where possible. For reasons, see this topic:
Khadion discussion.
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:00 AM

I have a working optional kit component at the moment. If you know a way to change the HLA used without kitting a creature, tell me so.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 09:55 AM

WeiDU supports sub-components now, I think even mutually exclusive ones.

So, you'd just have to use a custom kit in any case, and assign a dummy table name to the LUABB.2da file.
Then use subcomponents to ask players which table is to be used, and let a quick weidu code replace the name of table in said file, appropriately.
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Compatibility with Refinements would need coordination with table names and/or tables themselves, + checks to ensure refinements is installed.
Maybe this last point (and order of installation issues) could be avoided, it depends on design choices (I'm now reading through other topics, it might be the case).
For example, if you choosed to use ALWAYS a Kensai specific table, you could just include our table, and it would work with or without Refinements installed.
Only thing, with Refinements installed you'd also see the portrait icon displayed for True Kai, but this would happen despite the order of installation ;)

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 10:05 AM

Try to avoid optional kits where possible. For reasons, see this topic:
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What?

I... don't see any specific reasons in that thread.

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Posted 26 January 2005 - 04:06 AM

Isn't this moot? I mean, isn't the Monk class not kittable anyway? Oh, and, if you change this guy's HLAs to Kensai HLAs, wouldn't that change ALL monks to have Kensai HLAs, or am I wrong about that? It's always possible to make a phantom new kit (as in a new kit that the player can't select) and then make Yikari that kit. It could be CALLED Monk, but have a combination of Monk and Kensai HLAs. Honestly, though, most people would really only care for Whirlwind, anyway.

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Posted 26 January 2005 - 06:13 AM

It's always possible to make a phantom new kit (as in a new kit that the player can't select) and then make Yikari that kit.  It could be CALLED Monk, but have a combination of Monk and Kensai HLAs.  Honestly, though, most people would really only care for Whirlwind, anyway.

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That's the idea ;). I'll decide on a combination of Monk and Fighter HLAs, yes :). Do you have any particular HLAs you think Yikari should have?

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#11 T.G.Maestro

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Posted 28 January 2005 - 12:17 AM

I can create a mixed table for Yikari, if you prefer - though I think the v2 Kensai table is quite fitting for him.
Still, if you prefer, I can modify that Kensai table by removing a few HLAs and replacing them with those taken from the new monk table.
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Posted 28 January 2005 - 06:33 AM

I've never tried it myself, but apparently it's possible to have HLAS only show up if a global for that character is set to a certain value.

So you could hypothetically have two (or more) monks with completely different HLA tables.

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Posted 30 January 2005 - 11:55 PM

An interesting suggestion, I'll give it a try somewhere later. ;)
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 03:06 AM

Yikari still has the default Monk High Level Abilities, which are the same as Fighters'. I don't want his HLAs to be too personalised or unbalanced, so if you want Yikari (or any monks) to have more appropriate HLAs, please find and download another mod that changes Monk abilities. I'm personally aware of Refinements, Oversight and Sword and Fist. I haven't tried any of these and make no recommendations, but they should all be compatible :) .



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