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Posted 23 January 2005 - 08:09 AM

Call me crazy, but my match-and-mod-making instinct says "Mazzy". I just see it as the most interesting, explosive and easy-to-write humorous dialogue. Human rogue vs halfling red-head paladin... it has something to it, plus it has the least potential for the "love heals and changes" topic, because you can actually have Khaldion introduce Mazzy to the passionate but non-longterm relationship, which paradoxally might just be what her type need - she will never be able to dominate his type, as she presumably did with Patrik and tries with Valygar, but at the same time he will not be in a position of authority over her - which is perhaps exactly the equality she always wanted, but due to the strength of her character and inheritant lawfulness did not find or looked for. :)

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Posted 28 January 2005 - 09:04 PM

I will be interested to see what comes of this! :^^:

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Posted 29 January 2005 - 06:14 AM

I will be interested to see what comes of this!  :^^:

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Yes, indeed ;). I'm looking forward to it.

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Posted 29 January 2005 - 07:02 AM

I could have sworn I replied to this, but obviously not... :huh:

But in vanilla BG Charname has no way of trying to nail her any sooner since all action is NPC driven.  :P

Well, true. Khadion might try to - but who says that he'd succeed?

Call me crazy, but my match-and-mod-making instinct says "Mazzy". I just see it as the most interesting, explosive and easy-to-write humorous dialogue. Human rogue vs halfling red-head paladin... it has something to it, plus it has the least potential for the "love heals and changes" topic, because you can actually have Khaldion introduce Mazzy to the passionate but non-longterm relationship, which paradoxally might just be what her type need - she will never be able to dominate his type, as she presumably did with Patrik and tries with Valygar, but at the same time he will not be in a position of authority over her - which is perhaps exactly the equality she always wanted, but due to the strength of her character and inheritant lawfulness did not find or looked for.  :)

As I previously said, there was/is a pretty interesting thing going on between Khadion and Mazzy... ;)

I will be interested to see what comes of this!  :^^:

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 07:42 AM

It makes me ponder... If Khadion tries to romance a girl which is also the love interest of Charname, there will be a conflict in Haer'Dalis style ?
My opinions are divided :
- on one hand, he is not mature enough in SoA to care so much about a girl ; being refused, he would think "there are other prays" and he won't be much affected.
- on the other hand, Khadion seems very self-centered and could try to steal the girl's affection just to show Charname who is the best.

What do you think, Seb ?

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 08:55 AM

What do you think, Seb ?

I do not think. I know. :P

It makes me ponder... If Khadion tries to romance a girl which is also the love interest of Charname, there will be a conflict in Haer'Dalis style ?

The romance will develop in a very slightly different way than the Aerie-Haer'Dalis-romance, so no, he won't.

- on one hand, he is not mature enough in SoA to care so much about a girl ; being refused, he would think "there are other prays" and he won't be much affected.

Well, he wouldn't even start a romance with someone if he didn't care so much about the girl in the first place.

- on the other hand, Khadion seems very self-centered and could try to steal the girl's affection just to show Charname who is the best.

I think it goes beyond competition between charname and Khadion. While other males are compeditors to him, charname for some reason (which I naturally know about, but won't tell you!) isn't. :)

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#27 Feanor

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 10:08 AM

What do you think, Seb ?





- on one hand, he is not mature enough in SoA to care so much about a girl ; being refused, he would think "there are other prays" and he won't be much affected.

Well, he wouldn't even start a romance with someone if he didn't care so much about the girl in the first place.


I have to disagree. In my opinion, he could start only flirting and become attached to the girl while the romance progresses.
In fact, that phrase "he is the dream of all the maidens in Athkatla" and "constantly flirting" indicates for me a kind of "running after all the girls available" attitude. But maybe I am wrong.

While other males are compeditors to him,


I put my money on Anomen. :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 02:20 PM

I have to disagree. In my opinion, he could start only flirting and become attached to the girl while the romance progresses.
In fact, that phrase "he is the dream of all the maidens in Athkatla" and "constantly flirting" indicates for me a kind of "running after all the girls available" attitude. But maybe I am wrong.

There is a difference between 'romance' and 'flirting'. Yes, he could flirt with someone without feeling an attachment, but he wouldn't romance anyone he didn't have quite strong feelings for. So, start flirting without special feelings? Yes, sure. Starting romancing someone? No.

I put my money on Anomen.  :rolleyes:

Not necessarily.

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Posted 21 April 2005 - 10:58 PM

After careful consideration (3 months!) I'm beginning to think that Mazzy / Khadion romance might prove interesting. Certainly it does not have the age-old 'west end girl' and 'east end boy' -setting as Nalia / Khadion hook up, but I think there's potential too.
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#30 Feanor

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 01:05 AM

After careful consideration (3 months!) I'm beginning to think that Mazzy / Khadion romance might prove interesting. Certainly it does not have the age-old 'west end girl' and 'east end boy' -setting as Nalia / Khadion hook up, but I think there's potential too.

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Maybe she can convert him to Arvoreen's church... :D

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:16 AM

After careful consideration (3 months!) I'm beginning to think that Mazzy / Khadion romance might prove interesting. Certainly it does not have the age-old 'west end girl' and 'east end boy' -setting as Nalia / Khadion hook up, but I think there's potential too.

Do you want me to comment on this? :P

Maybe she can convert him to Arvoreen's church...  :D

I think Khadion would find your remark insulting. ;)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:24 AM

Romance conflicts with Korgan should be interesting... if perhaps brief ;)

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 04:39 AM

:lol:

Somehow, I never thought of that... ;)

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#34 Feanor

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Posted 25 May 2005 - 10:52 PM

Are there any stats requirements for the romance (there are some romances for instances which ask from your character to have certain Charisma for the romance) ?

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Posted 26 May 2005 - 12:02 AM

There will be, although none are set at the moment. I imagine a charisma and an intelligence check. :)

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Posted 27 December 2005 - 12:41 PM

Jaheira - Nah..

Jaheira is often excluded as a "Nah" in cases such as this. I've never really understood why...


Jaheira is rather proud and I really don't see her easily getting into any game of hearts. Now, of course Bioware made her romance Charname, but he's *special* after all. And of course there is that kinky 'piano teacher' / 'robbing the cradle' thing going on. However, as I said I haven ever player Jaheira romance, so I might not be the best person to evaluate her as a romance candidate. She kind of flirts with HD, though...


That bit with HD is news to me, but I've never been able to fit him into my party, so... Hmm. I see her and someone like Khadion (or Haer'Dalis) as being extremely unlikely. In general, I get the sense that she'd probably tend to compare a current prospective partner with Khalid in terms of devotion and virtue, and both seem like they'd fall short, from her perspective. And from the character description, I get the feeling that her interaction with one with Khadion's perspective and mindset would be closer to her interaction with Salvanas than to her romance with the PC...

I'd be the first to agree that Bioware perhaps made a mistake in letting the PC romance Jaheira so early after Khalid's death, but perhaps later on? And the 'piano teacher' would definently fit into this description. ;)


I concur...the romance always seemed a little ghoulish to me, so even before my characters started pursuing Imoen I avoided it, though I don't remember killing it by console. I think my first BG2 character was female; I don't remember whether she romanced Anomen though... (*shudder*). I was toying with adding an optional component to Arkalian that would auto-kill the Jaheira romance plot, for convenience and expedience.

Still, it's not entirely out of character; she seems to be quite pragmatic both by personality and philosophy...
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