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[Vasculio]

Heres my idea for Re-uniteing with Xzar and Montaron. Adapt the Xzar/Harper Plot from the Quest Pack from Pocket Plane Site

Like you can warn Xzar of the Harpers intentions. Near the end of the Quest Pack mission, instead of Xzar trying to revive Montaron as ghoal.

A Zentarium Cleric Agent will be near by resurrect Montaron. He could be the guy who Montaron and Xzar are currently working under.

Maybe this Zhent Cleric can ask you to go on a mission, and request that you take Xzar and Montaron with you.

Unfortunatly I must decline. First, because SimDing0 does not want me to use any material of quest pack. Second, making the 6th NPC will require huge works. Is in my eyes unneccessary seeing Kirinhale is there for magic power (sorcerer) and Kido fills the role of mad-man (and more (whom is also in the top 10 of about 50 NPC's in the Ironworks guide to NPC's)). Third, Montaron will start as said in the cage as that would be your companion that has travelled along from BG1. As such the Harper quest is strange and will be deleted, in its current form, for evil players. Don't worry the new form will feat the Mod for the Wicekd much better.

For Sarevok, weither it be in SOA or TOB, there should be an option were the player can restore Sarevok to his original form.

And if need be, i have the full render of the avatar than i'm currently using! to be the portrait for that form.

Tob Sarevok can drop all of his current items before mophing into his original form.

He has his old sword back as well as personal items and armor.

Sarevok's sword should be none removeable. The idea is not to allow equiping

Armor and helmet should be none removeable, since he should already be around AC -5

Nice, but perhaps a bit risky... I don't think players like to have him in total original form. You can get him below AC -5 and give him better weapons than he used to have. As such an option will cost a lot of coding and little use, I am not quite in favor of it. The Avatar is also used in BG2 I believe for the 'evil counterpart' of oneself in the Pocket Plane, but I did intend on making Sarevok recognize his own sword. Unfortunatly Weimer is gone and I can't ask permission to use the same one as him (for compatibility reasons), but maybe I can ask him later, as I am not yet in that stage. On another note though you say you have the avatar, but do you also have the .bams for his equipment (?), cause that would be neat to use... Perhaps just give option to regain his old armor...

[edit] On another note; I really love the creativity that comes in. Keeps me motivated and certainly more points of view are better. So keep it coming, though I stick to my guns... Xzar ain't returning a recruitable NPC. Do I already heard a notion of making him playable, in conjunction with this mod, which I don't mind one bit. Heck I would probably help with getting it all implemented and with coding questsions etc. *I* am not just going to do it all by myself and will not start the project and not before finishing this one.

Second, making the 6th NPC will require huge works. Is in my eyes unneccessary seeing Kirinhale is there for magic power (sorcerer) and Kido fills the role of mad-man (and more (whom is also in the top 10 of about 50 NPC's in the Ironworks guide to NPC's)).

About you're npc's, i'm sure they kick@$$, But you should look at, from my point of view. I was disapoint on how the dark day catered Xzar's character, aside the bugs.

All i ask is that you leave the "Xzar in Party" option part open, even if you don't mod it in yourself!

Note: The conjuration Xzar has already been done by Turnabout mod.

If you heard of the "Turnabout" mod at Pocket Plane web site, i recommend Hendryk, who wrote Xzar's dialog for the Turnabout mod.

http://forums.pocket...on=profile;u=17

I'd message him about it, but i'm not sure if you 100% behind the idea! I'm not even sure who leading the project.

Anyway let me know whats up!

Edited by Vasculio, 11 April 2006 - 01:37 AM.

[Tempest]

Here's are some ideas for a really evil character:

Sell Aerie into slavery, and when he gets his stronghold, bring her in as a slave. Do with her as you wish.

Capture Mazzy, and give her to the Shade Lord. Shade Lord possesses Mazzy, and joins the party out of a desire for some of the power you draw to yourself.

The Demogorgon at the final battle, yes, but beat (NOT kill) him, ascend to evil godhood, and Demogorgon becomes your vassal (calling him an ally would be a stretch, for an evil demon prince and equally evil god)

Either corrupt Nalia to hate the lower classes (granted, jcompton's De'Arnise romance may do this), sell her to Isea, or sell her to the slavers. If the last option, repeat as per the Aerie slavery idea.

Repeat the last sentence, with Lady Delcia, Imoen, Jaheira, Keldorn's daughter, etc.

Absorb Imoen's essence, and summon her shade/spirit as your undead minion.

Kill the Solar at the final battle

[Delight]

Either corrupt Nalia to hate the lower classes (granted, jcompton's De'Arnise romance may do this), sell her to Isea, or sell her to the slavers. If the last option, repeat as per the Aerie slavery idea.

Hmm...
I like this idea.
I think that Nalia would be an interesting slave*purrs*

[Tempest]

For selling Jaheira into slavery, I can just see the text:

"Nothing personal, Jaheira, but I need some gold."

[Deathsangel]

Well Vasculio and I PM'ed already. I'll leave the option for Xzar wide open. Never tend of shutting it. I open it rather with this mod. Hm... well this is a spoiler so don't select text if you don't want to know don't select the following sentence:

Nalia becomes already corrupted by Kido. However, more in a way of killing those that are in her way of her 'good' ideas.

Jaheira will be gone if you start as evil he guys and girls. They will be replaced by Kirinhale and Montaron, but slave ideas... jeez Kirinhale would make it already a bit R-rated (or PG-13 don't know the difference well), but with slaves being able to do everything... or is this to much my fantasy running wild here? Yes... I will incorperate some of this. Tempest your idea of slavery will be used Maybe not perhaps sold, but....

Edited by Deathsangel, 02 May 2006 - 09:14 AM.

[Tempest]

And to think I intended that as a joke... the Law of Unintended Consequences claims a new victim.

[Deathsangel]

And to think I intended that as a joke... the Law of Unintended Consequences claims a new victim.

Hahaha ... don't worry it won't be so blunt as what you wrote down... More credible.

[Vasculio]

Cool!

Like i said i'm in no rush to get this done!

I will play this awsome mod first, to get the vibe of the story.

Then me and that other dude are seriously going to put are minds together.



Ps who's doing the proof reading for this mod?

Edited by Vasculio, 04 May 2006 - 03:03 AM.

[Deathsangel]

Cool!

Like i said i'm in no rush to get this done!

I will play this awsome mod first, to get the vibe of the story.

Then me and that other dude are seriously going to put are minds together.



Ps who's doing the proof reading for this mod?

The ones that wish to bug-test are the ones that apply for this

[Sephiroth]

Its been a while since I've checked these boards, but this mod is really coming along. I cant wait to see it when its released. Keep up the great work

[Deathsangel]

Its been a while since I've checked these boards, but this mod is really coming along. I cant wait to see it when its released. Keep up the great work

Thanks, I am trying hard

[edit] made the wrong smilie

Edited by Deathsangel, 05 May 2006 - 12:43 AM.

[Hide and Seek]

For selling Jaheira into slavery, I can just see the text:

"Nothing personal, Jaheira, but I need some gold."

I can see the text that will be following.

Jaheira: Of course, CHARNAME. I understand. But if you think I will remain a slave, you're a fool, and I pity Gorion for his unnessecary sacrifice. I will break free and plant you beneath the most defiled place I can think of for this. And *that* will be personal! *she spits on you*

I, as well looks forward to this mod. The Mod for the Wicked.. it just calls on me!

[IronOx]

This mod is...appealing. Being a full-time evil player, I might come with twisted ideas...or atleast version of quests I'd rather do my way.

Buried Alive: Kill Tirdir after taking him out of his grave and leeching the infos out of him. Kill Sethle after learning the location of their hideout. Meet the 'employers' and reveal that the 'red guy' did not kill Tirdir, go kill the 'red guy' for the 'employers' and grab the reward. Then kill the 'employers' and grab the ransom. Quick and easy way to get rid of evil rivals.

Order of the Most Radiant Heart: 'Someone' could order you to kill the entire Order. It's...annoying...to do it without getting much of a reward and since I do it all the time...

Cernd's Child: You could bring Cernd to the kid, kill the mage and the lich, kill Cernd and claim the child as your own and raise him to be your mortal heir. A demonic child

Those are just ideas I wish I could do within the game, especially the Order of the Most Radiant Heart one. Looking forward to this mod; finally a reason to play *real* evil.

[Deathsangel]

Order of the Most Radiant Heart: 'Someone' could order you to kill the entire Order. It's...annoying...to do it without getting much of a reward and since I do it all the time...

This will be covered. I already had plans for this

[edit] Good motivation by the way people! Now to finish my report for a course on the university and it will be only a thesis. That hardly brings homework with itself

Edited by Deathsangel, 05 May 2006 - 11:40 AM.

[IronOx]

It is nice to hear that such a thing is already planned. My apology if this has already been asked but...will each quests be able to be installed individually? Like Unfinished Business did?

[Hide and Seek]

It is nice to hear that such a thing is already planned. My apology if this has already been asked but...will each quests be able to be installed individually? Like Unfinished Business did?

What I would want to know is, and I apologize as well if this has been covered in another topic... what about the reputation loss? I imagine that the PC will run around with his or her rep in the bottom after doing a few evil quests.. imagine killing an entire hoard of paladins.

Will this mean you can get bounty hunters after you in the wild or in cities? I have only been attacked by paladins on righteous vengeance intentions, so I don't know if that already exists.

[Minarvia]

Will this mean you can get bounty hunters after you in the wild or in cities? I have only been attacked by paladins on righteous vengeance intentions, so I don't know if that already exists.
[/quote]

I have to ask - about the paladins do you mean that you have wiped out the Radiant Heart and had others attack you later? I always wipe them out and never have a problem. Or is that because I have Anomen in my party and only kill them after his failed test? I'd LOVE to have attacks later...

Yep, Deathsangel, good question asked before about whether you can install components individually. Is that the plan? Tho I'll probably just take them all!

[Deathsangel]

What I would want to know is, and I apologize as well if this has been covered in another topic... what about the reputation loss? I imagine that the PC will run around with his or her rep in the bottom after doing a few evil quests.. imagine killing an entire hoard of paladins.

Will this mean you can get bounty hunters after you in the wild or in cities? I have only been attacked by paladins on righteous vengeance intentions, so I don't know if that already exists.

I have to ask - about the paladins do you mean that you have wiped out the Radiant Heart and had others attack you later? I always wipe them out and never have a problem. Or is that because I have Anomen in my party and only kill them after his failed test? I'd LOVE to have attacks later...

Yep, this is covered by the original game. From tactics From Tactics:

_Reputation Trap: If you have a very low reputation you will encounter Amnish Centurians (unlimited) or members of the Most Holy Order paladins (once only). This is unchanged. If you've ignored Garen Windspear you will encounter a duplicate group of Most Holy Order paladins (once only). This is also unchanged. My addition here is for parties with a _high_ reputation. Instead of encountering Amnish Soldiers and Cowled Enforcers, you'll encounter a group of Cyric Cultists (Assassins x4, a Priest of
Cyric and a Mage).

Only annoying thing I find is that the indeed the Amnish Guard is really unlimited and in a game I just increased my rep, because I really had to run from this group, because they're pretty good and I had 4 groups standing in the docks

It is nice to hear that such a thing is already planned. My apology if this has already been asked but...will each quests be able to be installed individually? Like Unfinished Business did?

Yep, Deathsangel, good question asked before about whether you can install components individually. Is that the plan? Tho I'll probably just take them all!

It will have components, but probably not all quests seperatly. At least that is not what I had in mind. This because personally I got a little crazy when one mod has so many freaking components, so I was thinking on a more general component system. The following had in mind:

* BG1 evil traveling companions (= Montaron & Kirinhale (this will include the zhentarim as this important to Montaron))
* New BG2 evil companions (= Kido+ Ariena)
* New quests (this will also include the new NPC Ian and I hope one new dungeon (artist thingy))
* Old quests with a twist (= new outcome of old quests
* New Dialogue options (= just more evil kind of lines which do not lead to new outcomes)

[edit] I am open for suggestions for other component set-up

Edited by Deathsangel, 06 May 2006 - 01:54 AM.

[Efreet]

A small note about slavery: If you betray too many teammates, even the evil guys will distrust you. If it turns out that the whole team is just your tools, some of them may think of striking first. One day, you may be the one betrayed...

[Sephiroth]

A small note about slavery: If you betray too many teammates, even the evil guys will distrust you. If it turns out that the whole team is just your tools, some of them may think of striking first. One day, you may be the one betrayed...

They would also be stupid to try, especially after they've seen the slayer transformation.

Also, I'm pretty sure the evil NPCs dont have to *trust* you, if you bully them into obedience.