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#1 Bane

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 03:46 PM

Can someone please exaplin what this is, how it began and what happened please because all I know is that a few gods died during this time, it revolved around Lathandar and that's about it.

Also on a sperate note for my rp for a NWN server what is Bane's relationship to Shar and how would their respective clergies react to each other in the Moonsea area, thanks very much :thumb:
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 06:44 AM

Can someone please exaplin what this is, how it began and what happened please because all I know is that a few gods died during this time, it revolved around Lathandar and that's about it.

Also on a sperate note for my rp for a NWN server what is Bane's relationship to Shar and how would their respective clergies react to each other in the Moonsea area, thanks very much  :thumb:

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On the Dawn Cataclysm very little is really known. (as it was originally a one-liner in an old sourcebook. People saw it and went 'we want more', so every so often extra tidbits get thrown into the mix)

It revolved around Lathander's attempt to smite evil and reshape the pantheon (with himself as head). During this turn of events Helm's girlfriend was killed off (Murdane, a lesser power of reason & pragmatism) and Helm is still miffed with Lathander for this.

As for when it happened by piecing together bits and bobs it's around about 700 DR (+/- 100 years), most evidence tends to place it around the Fall of Myth Drannor.

Also, rumour has it that the Big L is shaping up for another try at regime change, so expect Dawn Cataclysm : The Return at a store near you soon..

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 08:12 AM

There's almost no official information on it besides what Arachnos posted.

Speculation is that he will perhaps fail again, be reborn as Amaunator, and then Myrkul will rise as lord of Duck.
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 08:57 AM

There's almost no official information on it besides what Arachnos posted.

Speculation is that he will perhaps fail again, be reborn as Amaunator, and then Myrkul will rise as lord of Duck.

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Lord of Duck ??? :blink:

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 09:24 AM

Aye, nothing strange there...

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 10:33 AM

Typo for Dusk.
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Posted 23 March 2005 - 11:57 AM

Lord of Duck ???

Typo for Dusk.

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 10:27 PM

Okay, so is the rumour true that lathandar and amaunator are the same? Why the alignment difference and so forth...and wouldn't all the other deities get angry having to serve Lathandar?
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Posted 24 March 2005 - 04:29 AM

Lathander is believed by some to be a reincarnation of Amaunator, though I don't think the sourcebooks have explicitly confirmed or denied the fact. One (I forget which) does mention Lathander as a reincarnation, and there is a Prestige Class devoted to worshipping Amaunator-As-Lathander.

The alignment issue is not too important... The basic premise of the theory is that the sun god is 3 parts (dawn, noon, dusk), like 3 sides of a triangle, and you only ever see one or two at once.

So back in the old days Amaunator was blanket lord of the Sun. Jergal had Dusk. At some point Amaunator faded (going from LG to LN), and Jergal gave Dusk to Myrkul (going from LE to LN in the process I think). Then Lathander comes along and is Dawn (so Dawn and Dusk are now present). Then Myrkul (Dusk) dies (or is at least severely reduced in power).

The idea is that the deities are the facets of one Sun God. And now Dusk is waning, it is time for Dawn to move into Noon (i.e. possible rebirth of Amaunator from Lathander).

And since Lathander's Dawn Cataclysm failed last time, and he is trying again, that could be the event to trigger it.

I don't think Lathander's aims were to set himself up as head of all the deities, just to 'reshape the Pantheon in his own image', or make the other gods more like him. He's an idealist.
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Posted 25 March 2005 - 02:37 AM

Thank you kindly for the help guys, it really has helped :thumb:

slightly off topic, what is Bane's position to Shar? Afer his rebirth of course
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Posted 25 March 2005 - 09:03 AM

I don't think they particularly like or dislike each other. Shar has a higher Divine Rank IIRC, but only by 1.
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 03:01 AM

So in a place such as Zhentil Keep or the area of Moonsea, would the two interact and pact together, fight each other or take no interests in each other does anyone think?
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Posted 26 March 2005 - 07:30 AM

Not sure, but the two do have both a couple of mutual foes (Lathander and Mystra), and a mutual ally (Talona). They once had a second mutual ally in Myrkul, but he died back during the Time of Troubles.

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Posted 26 March 2005 - 03:20 PM

But Talona is being coveted by Shar, does Bane know about this and if so wouldn't he be displeased by such actions?
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Posted 27 March 2005 - 09:43 AM

Possibly (since Shar is a higher divine rank and has Secrets in her portfolio she might be able to hide it), and probably.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 12:42 AM

Okay thank you kindly guys, much obliged/appreciated. :thumb:
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Posted 07 August 2008 - 11:08 AM

Okay thank you kindly guys, much obliged/appreciated. :thumb:

Bear in mind, though, that Bane likes to think of himself as THE number one bad guy, so he might not take kindly to Shar moving in on Zhentil Keep, which he sees as "his."

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 12:59 PM

Wanted to point out as well that Shar and Cyric have some kind of alliance going on, albeit a loose one, and seeing as Bane and Cyric hate each other - that could have a negative effect between Bane and Shar.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 07:47 AM

As of 4th Edition, Bane and Shar are most definitely enemies. The Netherese Empire (who all worship Shar) have wiped out most of the Bane-worshiping faction of the Zhentarim, even Zhentarim leader Fzoul Chembryl. However, Bane raised Fzoul as an exarch (basically 4E slang for what was a demi-god in earlier editions), and now his primary goal is opposing Netheril.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 10:50 AM

Didn't we conclude that 4E is NFBRES like the Baldur's Gate novels?

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