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[TruePurple]

BGT isn't supported by itself anymore? In its current form is BGT compatible with things like the virtue scripts?

Incompatibilities like (virtue is the biggest one for me) that make me highly resistant to using BP. Which parts of BP cause these incompatibilities anyways? Is it possible to selectively install parts of BP so I can be compatible? Might you guys make big picture compatible with more BG mods in the future?

How does BGT compare to tutu as far as bugs and fluid gameplay go?

Edited by TruePurple, 28 June 2005 - 02:44 AM.

[Yacomo]

BGT isn't supported by itself anymore? In its current form is BGT compatible with things like the virtue scripts?

There is a major rework of BGT in progress right now, just look down a bit in this forum

Incompatibilities like (virtue is the biggest one for me) that make me highly resistant to using BP. Which parts of BP cause these incompatibilities anyways? Is it possible to selectively install parts of BP so I can be compatible? Might you guys make big picture compatible with more BG mods in the future?

Hmm, what exactly are the incompatibilities you are referring to? I do not know much about virtue, so can't tell you why there are problems if there indeed are any
But others on this board might be able to help you if you could elaborate a bit what the problem is

How does BGT compare to tutu as far as bugs and fluid gameplay go?

I played both from start to finish and enjoyed them a lot, but I'll stay out of the discussion which one is 'better' than the other B)

[seanas]

there's no selective install as far as BP and it's various flavours go - you install it all or not at all.

with regard to virtue incompatibility, i'd expect that BGT would have very similar levels of incompatibility with virtue as BP does - the problem lies in the fact that virtue is written for BGII installs, not BGT or BP installs, so yr going to get weird incompatibilities.

as to whether virtue and Tutu are compatible, i wouldn't know. you'd have to as simdingo over at PPG.

as for BGT vs Tutu - you pays yr money and you makes yr choice. from a support point of view if nothing else, if you were choosing between BGT and Tutu (as distinct from BGT-BP vs Tutu) i'd *always* recommend Tutu - there are a lot more ppl working on it, so if you have problems, you'll get answers a lot faster.

in fact, until such time as ascension64 releases v1 of his new BGT-weidu, i'd stay *well away* from straight BGT.

[TruePurple]

I know BP(big picture) is incompatible with the virtue mod because a compatibility listing topic tells me so.

I was wondering if non BP, just plain BGT was also incompatible.

If plain BGT is going to be continued, is there a forum for it?

Edited by TruePurple, 28 June 2005 - 03:29 AM.

[TruePurple]

What is weidu anyways? Might the weidu version of BGT be compatible with mods like virtue?

Edited by TruePurple, 28 June 2005 - 03:31 AM.

[Yacomo]

If  plain BGT is going to be continued, is there a forum for it?

Not continued in that sense, rather reimplemented. And yes there is a forum, this one

Just have a look at this thread and this thread.

Oh, and to correct my previous response: I played through the BGT part of a BP-BGT install, not plain BGT. Which, like Seanas said, is something quite different

[seanas]

weidu is a means of creating and installing mods for BGII that allows multiple mods that alter the same files to play together nicely, and as such, *if* the only compatibilty problems between BGT-BP and virtue was BGT overwriting files, then yes, i would expect that a weidu-BGT and virtue would be compatible.

as a general rule, if something doesnt work with BP or BGT-BP, there's no way it'll work with BGT, as one of the purposes of BP was to make otherwise incompatible mods like BGT play well with other mods (without using weidu).

if i remember correctly, however, the incompatibilities betwen virtue and BP are likely to be exacerbated with BGT, as BGT does things like rename entire areas, which would, i would have thought, caused virtue to fail or generate bugs. however, no-one has tried the weidu-BGT and virtue - you could always give it a shot and report back on how successful you were.

[TruePurple]

*if* the only compatibilty problems between BGT-BP and virtue was BGT overwriting files

Well *if* that was the only compatability problem, then I'd think it would be solved by simply installing virtue last.

Might BP be made to be compatable with mods like virtue in the future? Is anyone from that team working on making more mods compatable with BP or BP + BGT and if so which ones?

Edited by TruePurple, 28 June 2005 - 04:30 AM.

[NiGHTMARE]

Virtue handles situations on a case-by-case basis, it's not a mod which will automatically apply itself to new quests, characters, etc added by other mods. This is possibly what it's listed as incompatible with BGT - it'd seem rather strange to play a game where half the content is affected by Virtue, and the other half isn't.

Currently it only handles BG2 quests, so even if it is compatible with BGT, it would have very little effect on the BG1 part of the game. Apparently a Tutu version is planned for the future, so once that's released, perhaps someone might be willing to adapt it for BGT.

EDIT: compatible -> incomptaible

Edited by NiGHTMARE, 28 June 2005 - 05:30 AM.

[SimDing0]

It handles a number of mods too, but not BP.

[Yacomo]

Virtue handles situations on a case-by-case basis, it's not a mod which will automatically apply itself to new quests, characters, etc added by other mods.  This is possibly what it's listed as compatible with BGT - it'd seem rather strange to play a game where half the content is affected by Virtue, and the other half isn't.

Currently it only handles BG2 quests, so even if it is compatible with BGT, it would have very little effect on the BG1 part of the game.  Apparently a Tutu version is planned for the future, so once that's released, perhaps someone might be willing to adapt it for BGT.

Ah! I think I understand it now, so this means BGT or BP or whatever kind of support needs to be built into Virtue on a per-quest basis? Then it might be a good idea to ask this question on the virtue forum instead of here? Although this sounds like a hell lot of work to support all the BP quests

[SimDing0]

You can post on the Virtue forum if you want, yeh, but it won't increase the chances of my adding BP support. (Which I'd rate as "pretty low".)

[TruePurple]

Is adding virtue values to individual quests and npc situations the only compatibility issue or is there others?

Edited by TruePurple, 28 June 2005 - 05:16 AM.

[Sir BillyBob]

The virtue mod is compatible with BP, just not with BGT-BP. As SimDing0 said, the BP quests are not part of Virtue. However, others have used it with BP and said it worked fine. What you may find is that Virtue is lacking (in many ways - crack myself up) in the BP world, but the original quests of SOA will be effected by the Virtue mod.

Virtue is one of those BG2 mods that just isn't going to do much for you in the BGT-BP world. Same as adding Valen or Kelsey when you are still walking around Beregost. Mods like this need to be added after you have transitioned into Jon's cage and ready to start the SOA part of the game.

[seanas]

there's a bug report here which seems to indicate that virtue - or at least an older version - doesn't like BP either. it's not conclusive evidence that BP and virtue don't play well together, but it's not the first such report i've seen; just the only one i can find at the moment .

you could always *try* installing it and seeing what happens - as the poster in that thread indicates, everything worked fine after they uninstalled virtue, so it wouldn't be too much of a risk to try it and see what happens.

[SimDing0]

While I made an effort to tighten up some of the scripting to avoid that problem after that thread, the errors coming up during install there would also seem to suggest that BP is shipping with some harmlessly corrupted scripts which might be worth fixing.

[masteraleph]

BP is shipping with some harmlessly corrupted scripts which might be worth fixing.

Gee, 'cause it's a surprise that the mods included in BP (TDD, for heaven's sakes) could have some corrupted scripts. Don't get me wrong- I have tons of admiration for TDD as the first truly huge mod for BG2...but yeah, I'd be surprised if you weren't finding corrupted scripts.

[SimDing0]

Well, it's actually pretty hard to ship something with a corrupted script these days, and I'd imagine that the upcoming WeiDU versions of the various BP mods will resolve the problems.