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[Cícero]

Hello.

I was thinking about the ending of KOTOR2 when Kreia tell that the mandalorians were dying, and would continue dying for thousands of years, until only remains men in metal shell, easily killed by Jedi.

Canderous, by the other hand, is preparing the Mandalorians for a new great war, that will make all the galaxy tremble. (Altough he does not seem to be motivated by simple conquest anymore).

Well, he did it. We all know that the last true Mandalorian was Jango Fett (and Boba Fett, his clone-son). As the greatest Mandalorian of his time, I think it is quite obvious that he was as powerful as Canderous himself (lvl 20/25?). The Clone Army is, in truth, a Mandalorian army.(Fett was chosen by his genetic traits, along with his personal skills.) Since every Clone trooper is inferior to Fett himself, I assume that the average clone trooper is equal to the average Mandalorian warrior of the Old Republic. B)

And, as we know, the Clone wars touched and echoed for all over the galaxy. Clone (Mandalorian?) troopers landed on every inhabitted planet, and earned glory and honor possibly beyond Any madalore has ever imagined. Ah, yes, the Clone troopers just anihhilated the Jedi Order.

Perhaps Canderous did want the honor and glory going for the Mandalorian name instead, but, as someone once said, "blood is thicker than water".

Watcha guys think?

Edited by Cícero, 04 March 2006 - 06:53 PM.

[Pain Elemental]

You have a lot of free time on your hands....

[Archmage Silver]

Well, that's true, but I don't really see Canderous having anything to do with it.

[Cícero]

What? In KOTOR 2 he did not said something about the Mandalorian's destiny? A great war and such?

I've never said that he MADE it happen, I said that his wish came true. (altough a bit late for him to see it, tough. )

Edited by Cícero, 06 March 2006 - 08:23 AM.

[Archmage Silver]

What? In KOTOR 2 he did not said something about the Mandalorian's destiny? A great war and such?

I've never said that he MADE it happen, I said that his wish came true. (altough a bit late for him to see it, tough. )

Yeah, he spoke of it. You could always write a fanfic about some plot how he made that all happen through all the time that passed, like Jango Fett being his descendant or something.

[cirerrek]

Depends on if you take the crap that was Episode 1-3 as cannon. I guess since it came come Georgie, it must be.

A ton of other SW galaxy books touch on the subject. Boba Fett was not a Mandalorian. He had certain traits in common with them. I think an arista (excellence in everything) and mercenary attitude were part of it. + He liked the element of fear that a Mandalorian suit of battle armor gave him in any encounter. Any advantage when you are rolling the dice with death is a good advantage.

The other books also say that Darth Vader was not a Sith. In fact, they allude to the fact that the Sith were a separate race from humanity entirely.

Too much garbage in the channel to really tell what was what.

Lets talk midichlorians. Never heard about them again after the 1st prequel, did you. Georgie almost killed off his own mythology with that one.

So much potential there....sigh.

[Cícero]

Do you think that eps 1-3 were crap?!?


I TOTALLLY disagree with you.


About Mandalorians and Sith. As the games and books say, the ORIGINAL sith were a species apart from Humanity, yes. But they died THOUSANDS of years before the Old Republic. The Sith are followers of an ideal. (Sith is a belief, to quote Kreia).

The mandalorians ARE humans. What makes the mandlorians be what they are is their training, living style, code of honor, and such. Much like the Old Spartans in Ancient Greece. So, Jango Fett IS a Mandlorian, even if he was not born one.

About midichlorians: They do NOT give Force Power, or "strenght in the Force". They exist in ALL living beings, but in greater quantity in beings with greater Force sensitivity. So they are used as means for measuring Force potential in a exact scale. (Since most Force users can sense the relative power of each other).

[NiGHTMARE]

As well as the Sith species and the sith philosophy, there was also the Sith Empire. Although it was originally based around Korriban (where the Sith species originated), they apparently abandoned all their holdings in known space quite some time before KotOR 1 & 2, and departed for the Unknown Regions.

The distinction between Sith Lords and the Sith Empire becomes clear with Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion and Darth Traya, since none of them had anything to do with the Sith Empire. It's also apparent that the goals of the Sith Empire and non-affiliated Sith Lords are not neccessarily compatible, since Darth Revan wanted to fight them, not join them.

The Sith Empire is the group Revan and the Exile departed known space to fight against, and is rumoured to be the main focus of KotOR 3.


BTW we did hear about midi-chlorians after the first prequel. During Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine mentions that a previous Sith Lord had the ability to use harness midi-chlorians to create life

Edited by NiGHTMARE, 07 March 2006 - 07:05 AM.

[cirerrek]

BTW we did hear about midi-chlorians after the first prequel. During Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine mentions that a previous Sith Lord had the ability to use harness midi-chlorians to create life

Well, I stand corrected. I guess I was so nauseated by that point that I missed that part. If you must ask, my wife asked me to take her to see the last episode (which was better than the first two prequels, but not by much, and was NOT a good movie by far).

I know some people like the movies, but then again, some people like Catch-as-Catch-Can wrestling (WWF, WCW) or whatever they are calling those male soap operas these days. Can't say as I understand that either.

[Archmage Silver]

BTW we did hear about midi-chlorians after the first prequel. During Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine mentions that a previous Sith Lord had the ability to use harness midi-chlorians to create life

Well, I stand corrected. I guess I was so nauseated by that point that I missed that part. If you must ask, my wife asked me to take her to see the last episode (which was better than the first two prequels, but not by much, and was NOT a good movie by far).

I know some people like the movies, but then again, some people like Catch-as-Catch-Can wrestling (WWF, WCW) or whatever they are calling those male soap operas these days. Can't say as I understand that either.

I don't think the movies really compare to show wrestling... Yes, I like the movies.

[cirerrek]

I don't think the movies really compare to show wrestling.

Really? A poorly written story with an ending that everyone knows. I can see how they are very similar.

Yes, I like the movies.

To each their own then.

[Archmage Silver]

I don't think the movies really compare to show wrestling.

Really? A poorly written story with an ending that everyone knows. I can see how they are very similar.

Yes, I like the movies.

To each their own then.

Well, at least they are movies, not wrestling. I don't see how they're so bad, but I won't argue about it with you, as I see you've set your mind about this.

[NiGHTMARE]

FYI when the Empire Strikes Back came along, apparently tonnes of people were bitching about what a travesty it was, how it didn't live up to the Star Wars name, etc, etc. Even Return of the Jedi had its share of detractors... especially from a rather vocal "anti-Ewok" group .

[Archmage Silver]

FYI when the Empire Strikes Back came along, apparently tonnes of people were bitching about what a travesty it was, how it didn't live up to the Star Wars name, etc, etc. Even Return of the Jedi had its share of detractors... especially from a rather vocal "anti-Ewok" group .

Heh. I guess the "purists" will always do that, no matter what we're talking about, be it movies or games, e.g. Baldur's Gate .

[cirerrek]

FYI when the Empire Strikes Back came along, apparently tonnes of people were bitching about what a travesty it was, how it didn't live up to the Star Wars name, etc, etc. Even Return of the Jedi had its share of detractors... especially from a rather vocal "anti-Ewok" group .

Heh. I guess the "purists" will always do that, no matter what we're talking about, be it movies or games, e.g. Baldur's Gate .

I wouldn't consider myself a SW purist, I just like good stories.

The original Trilogy had its warts to. I mean come on. It was a Space Opera! No one was expecting a story of the caliber of Dune or Stranger in a Strange Land or Lord of the Rings. What made the original trilogy great was the cast of heroes that you could love. A cast of villians that you could hate. Exotic setting. Cool special effects (still better than many B movies made today), a storyline that had you rooting for the underdog (The Republic, because of its loveable heroes), and fantastic music.

The Prequels had much of the same.

Where they fell short was in a lack of loveable heroes and a lack of villans worth hating, and because of that, neither side of the story was compelling enough to suck you in and make you root for one side or another. If they had managed those three things, almost everything else would have been forgiveable (Note: not Jar Jar).

Edited by cirerrek, 09 March 2006 - 08:21 PM.

[Archmage Silver]

FYI when the Empire Strikes Back came along, apparently tonnes of people were bitching about what a travesty it was, how it didn't live up to the Star Wars name, etc, etc. Even Return of the Jedi had its share of detractors... especially from a rather vocal "anti-Ewok" group .

Heh. I guess the "purists" will always do that, no matter what we're talking about, be it movies or games, e.g. Baldur's Gate .

I wouldn't consider myself a SW purist, I just like good stories.

The original Trilogy had its warts to. I mean come on. It was a Space Opera! No one was expecting a story of the caliber of Dune or Stranger in a Strange Land or Lord of the Rings. What made the original trilogy great was the cast of heroes that you could love. A cast of villians that you could hate. Exotic setting. Cool special effects (still better than many B movies made today), a storyline that had you rooting for the underdog (The Republic, because of its loveable heroes), and fantastic music.

The Prequels had much of the same.

Where they fell short was in a lack of loveable heroes and a lack of villans worth hating, and because of that, neither side of the story was compelling enough to suck you in and make you root for one side or another. If they had managed those three things, almost everything else would have been forgiveable (Note: not Jar Jar).

Well, I disagree. I see no reason why the new episodes are worse than the old ones, the old ones just are so popular that it's very hard if not impossible to top them with newer films.

[cirerrek]

Well, I disagree. I see no reason why the new episodes are worse than the old ones, the old ones just are so popular that it's very hard if not impossible to top them with newer films.

The old epsiodes are better and I'll tell you the primary reason why the new episodes are not as good.

Anakin. If George had been able to make him into a character that watchers of the movie admired, identified with, and provided justifiable reasons for him to fall, the movies would have been good, if not great.

The End.

Edited by cirerrek, 10 March 2006 - 06:04 PM.

[Archmage Silver]

Well, I disagree. I see no reason why the new episodes are worse than the old ones, the old ones just are so popular that it's very hard if not impossible to top them with newer films.

The old epsiodes are better and I'll tell you the primary reason why the new episodes are not as good.

Anakin. If George had been able to make him into a character that watchers of the movie admired, identified with, and provided justifiable reasons for him to fall, the movies would have been good, if not great.

The End.

Well... I don't quite agree here. Anyway, I will not continue this argument as it's getting tiresome and not either of us is going to change our opinion. And not to mention we're quite off-topic.