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[Azkyroth]

First, it says in the manual and in-game character creation that elves and half-elves have an inherent partial resistance to charm and sleep type magics (I believe it specified partial resistance). Is that actually implemented in-game, and if so, is it hard-coded to those character classes? Basically, I want to increase a character's natural resistance to charm-type effects, but I don't see specific-spell resistance in the effect list in DLTCEP, just protection from. Any suggestions?

Second...some items, like Xan's Moonblade and Keldorn's armor, are movable, but still only usable by one character. I don't see anything different in the effects list for them...can anyone tell me how to do that to items?

[Grunker]

The elves resistances were never implemented in Baldur's Gate 1. The BG1 Unfinished Business fixes this.

[CamDawg]

Credit where credit is due: BG UB got elven sleep/charm resistance from BG2 Fixpack, which based it, in turn, on aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing. Basically, every spell with sleep or charm effects gets extra effs against elves or half-elves with a 90% or 30% (respectively) chance to resist the spell. To try and do this for an individual would be complicated.

For NPC-specific items, there's no good way to do it. Bioware did it by making the restrictions as tight as possible--for example, Keldorn's armor is usable only by paladins (inquisitors), with certain str, wis, int, etc. that match Keldorn's stats. A PC with the right class and stats can use any of the NPC-only items.

[Grunker]

Credit where credit is due: BG UB got elven sleep/charm resistance from BG2 Fixpack, which based it, in turn, on aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing.

Ah, ok

[Azkyroth]

Credit where credit is due: BG UB got elven sleep/charm resistance from BG2 Fixpack, which based it, in turn, on aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing. Basically, every spell with sleep or charm effects gets extra effs against elves or half-elves with a 90% or 30% (respectively) chance to resist the spell. To try and do this for an individual would be complicated.

More complicated, I suppose, than setting up a "protection from opcode 5" effect with a 50% chance?

I think I see how to do with with "apply effect on condition" effects like the one in Insect Plague, though...the overall effect would be about the same, though I suppose it would chew up a little more memory on slow computers...

I wonder if there's a way to make her saving throw higher for those effects specifically...

For NPC-specific items, there's no good way to do it. Bioware did it by making the restrictions as tight as possible--for example, Keldorn's armor is usable only by paladins (inquisitors), with certain str, wis, int, etc. that match Keldorn's stats. A PC with the right class and stats can use any of the NPC-only items.

You're kidding. *sighs* is there a way to differentiate in DLTCEP between an "exactly" stat limitation and a "minimum" limitation like strength?

Bit of a moot point, I suppose, since Arkalian's only wearable her-only item is a ring that can't be removed...

[CamDawg]

More complicated, I suppose, than setting up a "protection from opcode 5" effect with a 50% chance?

Yes. If you add this effect to your creature file, the game will roll the dice once--in 50% of the games, the creature would resist every sleep/charm spell, and in the other 50% of the games it would resist none of them.

You're kidding. *sighs* is there a way to differentiate in DLTCEP between an "exactly" stat limitation and a "minimum" limitation like strength?

Nope, minimums only.

[Azkyroth]

More complicated, I suppose, than setting up a "protection from opcode 5" effect with a 50% chance?

Yes. If you add this effect to your creature file, the game will roll the dice once--in 50% of the games, the creature would resist every sleep/charm spell, and in the other 50% of the games it would resist none of them.

More or less what I figured; hence the apply effect on condition (used in the Insect Plague and similar spells to damage the target periodically). Create an external "protection from opcode" event with the desired probability of occurrence and a duration of x, then add an "apply effect on condition" effect to the creature file with a time interval of x and a duration of permanent after death. Every time it applies the effect it'll re-roll, and so some of the time the character will have protection and some of the time they won't, averaging out into the proper resistance percentage. Kind of a battle-axe method, but viable...

You're kidding. *sighs* is there a way to differentiate in DLTCEP between an "exactly" stat limitation and a "minimum" limitation like strength?

Nope, minimums only.

Yeesh. Good thing I'm sticking with non-droppable/non-movable for her special items then...

[Avenger_teambg]

Credit where credit is due: BG UB got elven sleep/charm resistance from BG2 Fixpack, which based it, in turn, on aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing.

Who in turn based his implementation on my research


Actually, the one-character items could be implemented in a similar approach.
Lets say, Xan's moonblade would kill or severely injure others. This could be implemented by setting the 'specific' field of Xan to a special value, and using #177 effects which ignore this specific when dealing harmful effects in the equipping block. Similarly to elven resistances.
Other effects, like dropping weapons is also possible.

[CamDawg]

Credit where credit is due: BG UB got elven sleep/charm resistance from BG2 Fixpack, which based it, in turn, on aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing.

Who in turn based his implementation on my research

Cheers, thanks.

[the bigg]

[aVENGER] Who in turn based his implementation on my research

Is that incestuous or what?
- Westley Weimer, on thanking Lesley Reimer for Ilyich

Edited by the bigg, 10 May 2006 - 07:55 AM.

[Avenger_teambg]

[aVENGER] Who in turn based his implementation on my research

Is that incestuous or what?
- Westley Weimer, on thanking Lesley Reimer for Ilyich

Well, i guess, it is mere coincidence. I have nothing to do with aVENGER (except this elven resistance thingie).
And sometimes people ask for permission for his stuff from me. This is why i didn't drop the silly _teambg tag already.

The Lesley Reimer thing could be an elaborate plot to build hostility against Westley
While the word 'avenger' is quite common, their name coincidence is simply unplausible.
But, i could be wrong.