Is a double-bladed lightsaber subjected to the "dual wielding" penalty, or is it considered a single weapon? If dual wielding, is it considered balanced?
Might be a stupid question...
Started by DalreïDal, Nov 12 2006 08:47 AM
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 08:47 AM
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 09:48 AM
Is a double-bladed lightsaber subjected to the "dual wielding" penalty, or is it considered a single weapon? If dual wielding, is it considered balanced?
A doublebladed weapon is considered two weapons, and AFAIR is considered balanced.
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Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:24 AM
Yes.
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Posted 14 November 2006 - 09:55 AM
It's considered as wielding one normal lightsaber and one short lightsaber.
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Posted 15 November 2006 - 02:55 PM
Ah, so does that mean that it's just the off-hand weapon that needs to be balanced not to suffer the biggest penalties, or both hands? And for double-bladed lightsabers, does the damage follows lead hand=lightsaber dam, off-hand=short lightsaber dam?
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 01:21 AM
only the off-hand weapon needs to be balanced.
double-bladed lightsabers do the same damage in each hand, and use 1.5x str bonus in the main hand and 0.5x str bonus in off-hand (as compared with two lightsabers, which do 1.0x str / 0.5x str). so double-bladed will always do more damage (both because of the str bonus, and because of the lesser damage of short lightsabers).
on the other hand, double-blades have 1/2 the critical threat range of dual-wields (20-20/20 instead of 19-20/20). double-blades also have half the number of lightsaber crystals as two weapons, fairly obviously.
double-bladed lightsabers do the same damage in each hand, and use 1.5x str bonus in the main hand and 0.5x str bonus in off-hand (as compared with two lightsabers, which do 1.0x str / 0.5x str). so double-bladed will always do more damage (both because of the str bonus, and because of the lesser damage of short lightsabers).
on the other hand, double-blades have 1/2 the critical threat range of dual-wields (20-20/20 instead of 19-20/20). double-blades also have half the number of lightsaber crystals as two weapons, fairly obviously.
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Posted 16 November 2006 - 03:45 PM
Thanks a big lot!!!! Where do you get that kind of game mechanics data? Obviously it's not in the manual... For KotOR II, can the STR bonus to damage be changed for DEX if one gets the lightsaber finesse feat, or is it just the to hit?
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 02:13 PM
Thanks a big lot!!!! Where do you get that kind of game mechanics data? Obviously it's not in the manual... For KotOR II, can the STR bonus to damage be changed for DEX if one gets the lightsaber finesse feat, or is it just the to hit?
www.gamebanshee.com has a very good lightsaber guide, but besides that, some of us own the Player's Handbook
Weapon finesse only changes the To Hit.
IMO, balancing only matters at low levels.
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Posted 18 November 2006 - 06:27 PM
Gooooooogle. I don't like it, I just use it.
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Posted 19 November 2006 - 09:20 AM
But I DO have the manual... or is it a different document from the player's handbook??? I do use google too... but maybe I'm not that efficient with my search, or anyway... I just tire of looking through endless pages on the bioware or obsidian forums. And I know of gamebanshee 
Good walkthrough and upgrades guide too.
Good walkthrough and upgrades guide too.
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Posted 19 November 2006 - 12:19 PM
everything i know about KOTOR I and II i learnt either from reading the feedback text, or by reading dan simpson's excellent walkthrus, which i found at http://www.gamefaqs.com/ .
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 05:58 AM
Ah, thanks for the info, I'll check it out
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 07:55 AM
But I DO have the manual... or is it a different document from the player's handbook??? I do use google too... but maybe I'm not that efficient with my search, or anyway... I just tire of looking through endless pages on the bioware or obsidian forums. And I know of gamebanshee
The Player's Handbook is the manual for the Pen&Paper Roleplaying Game that uses the D20 rules KotOR uses. The D20 system is used by Starwars, D&D and a whooooole bunch of other Pen&Paper Games.
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 08:09 AM
Oh, THAT player's handbook... sorry I didn't catch your meaning. I wasn't sure KotOR used 2nd or 3rd edition of the d20 rules??? Some things remind 2E, and some 3E, or maybe I get confused by 3.5E??? Anyway... which set of rules do they use for KotOR? (there are some modifs for KotOR II (i.e. finesse feat and some others), is it the same edition with some "custom" changes?)
