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[Tempest]

This is an... unusual question pertaining to Darian, and this seems to be the right place to ask. Does anyone know if it's possible for a halfling and an elf to have children? It's an issue I'm considering with my mod, and none of my handbooks say one way or the other if elf/halfling crossbreeds are possible.

[vilkacis]

A three-quarterling? Or do elves not count as full 1/1? Maybe two-thirdling...?

...well, it's not a standard race, but that doesn't mean much. Dwarves can apparently crossbreed with humans, and you pretty much get "a tall dwarf" out of it, but I don't think I have ever seen any official info on elf/halfling.

I'd say go for it - if nothing else, post-ToB (I'm guessing that's the time we're talking about here), you're powerful enough to bend or break most rules.

(There might be more info in the complete guide to unlawful carnal knowledge, but I don't think that's official material... )

[Tempest]

Yes, it's meant for Darian/Mazzy epilogue material, but I also want them to have a discussion about settling down and maybe raising a family. Sad thing is, I actually know where that guide is online (here, courtesy of Flarn on the Gibberlings3 board who linked it in a thread over there), and it certainly implies halflings and elves can have children, though I'd be very surprised if anyone specifically considered the possibility of a halfling and a winged elf having children...

[Kellen]

At the very least they could adopt. *Shrug*

[Tempest]

That's what I was going to have them do if anyone had any official word that halflings and elves weren't cross-fertile, actually.

[minotaur_in_maze]

I think it should certainly be possible to stretch the rules so to speak.

Logically though, between the two, wouldn't the uhm, size/height/weight differential present, ahhh, problems?

MiM - Having trouble picturing it.

[Tempest]

Not really, MiM. Elves are a bit smaller than humans, and it presents no problems, so why would size present a problem for a halfling and an elf (and Avariel are a bit smaller than other elves, to boot)? In terms of size, a halfling is to an elf as an elf is to a human.

[vilkacis]

I think it should certainly be possible to stretch the rules so to speak.

>_< ...

Logically though, between the two, wouldn't the uhm, size/height/weight differential present, ahhh, problems?

MiM - Having trouble picturing it.

Weight is not an issue if the halfling goes on top. Besides, elves are just skin and bone anyway. Now, a half-orc, that might be problematic.

But seriously, the worst part is how uncomfortable it would be for a halfling to carry a child that's part "bigger" race. On the other hand, elves (being 3/8ths Mary Sue) have a special "smooth pregnancy" gene. (It's true, I swear!) And if there's a problem... well, that's what clerics are for, right?

If all else fails, they could always get a friendly wizard to polymorph him into a halfling for a few hours.

Not really, MiM. Elves are a bit smaller than humans, and it presents no problems, so why would size present a problem for a halfling and an elf (and Avariel are a bit smaller than other elves, to boot)? In terms of size, a halfling is to an elf as an elf is to a human.

FR elves are special, though, if you believe the "complete book of elves":

(Although an Avariel would probably be smaller under 2E rules as well.)

[Rabain]

Did i read somewhere that the offspring of an elf and halfling is called an elfling?

Sounds better that Helf anyway.

G.E.L.F anyone?

[Tempest]

I might have to just leave this issue ambiguous in the epilogue, and have them both discuss the dangers and uncertainty inherent in this during their conversation-they're not about to try having kids on the road, even if they can (mentally kicks Aerie again for not using contraceptive herbs like her intelligence and wisdom scores should have told her to, especially during her rare period of fertility, being an elf...)

[Azkyroth]

Myth-Drannor.net had an entry on elf-halfling hybrids, though it's down now and I don't remember the details. But yes, it is possible. I doubt the wings would be inherited though; I think they're a magical trait and FR heredity has only the most cursory resemblance to real-world genetics (for instance, many of the bloodline feats I've seen posit Lamarckian inheritance of characters O.o)

[Tempest]

Nope, for the Avariel, their wings are a simple genetic part of their heritage, along with their hollow bones. Wingspan, feather color, etc. all vary by the individual Avariel. Half-Avariel usually do have wings, though they rarely develop fully enough to allow flight.

[Kellen]

Myth-Drannor.net had an entry on elf-halfling hybrids, though it's down now and I don't remember the details. But yes, it is possible. I doubt the wings would be inherited though; I think they're a magical trait and FR heredity has only the most cursory resemblance to real-world genetics (for instance, many of the bloodline feats I've seen posit Lamarckian inheritance of characters O.o)

But there is this special webhosting program which has preserved it. Happy Click

Elflings are unofficial. <--(link)

Edited by Kellen, 31 May 2007 - 06:35 PM.

[Tempest]

Thanks, Kellen-that may be useful if I ever decide to make an elfling for PnP, but I'm afraid it's not much help for this issue, other than also giving the green light for halfling-elven crossbreeds. I was mainly interested in if it was possible or not, since Mazzy doesn't become pregnant in-game, but it looks like there's no real reason it shouldn't be possible.

[minotaur_in_maze]

Hmmm, and how about a halfling and a minotaur?

But seriously, my thing is, I just Cannot imagine Mazzy Fenton doing something as Un-palidinish as to.... (AHEM! - Though I did have a dream once of her an Anomen getting together.)

On the subject of wings, (and this I really *Don't know) wouldn't Any types of wings present problems for a non Averiel in childbirth? Or, do they come from eggs?

You really want to...research the, uhm, problem, go to G3 and DL "Triangle Mod" for pointers...

Minotaur - Suddenly having WAY impure thoughts about halflings. (EGAD!)

[Solstice]

MiM, please tell me Drellos isn't having naughty thoughts about Kalinsa...


And I don't see why Darian and Mazzy wouldn't be able to have kids. Darian worships the elven goddess of fertility, doesn't he? By the end of ToB, he can probably solve any pregnancy issue with the right prayer.

[Kellen]

No! She's not available!

Uh, why should I have to suffer to share the only conversationalist in the party with a minotaur buffoon, who tries to call himself a wizard.

Actually I really like thinking of them having children. I don't care if they're blood children or adopted, humans, halflings, gnomes, avariel, dwarves, and the occaisional others too.

[Solstice]

You mean Kalinsa's going to have the minotaur and the evil elf after her?! Note to self: learn the invisibility spell asap. (Kalinsa's my cute little halfling bardling and Harper in the Classic Dungeons thing).


I also second the idea of Mazzy and Darian having kids. It seems like a wonderful end to their tale, and I think they'd be great parents.

[Tempest]

You should talk to one of my friends, Solstice. On one campaign we played, her gnome rogue had the misfortune of being the only female in the group, with a high charisma and all the conversational skills to boot. The dwarven battlerager, aasimar psychic warrior, and elf sorcerer all pursued her rather relentlessly...

On the subject of wings, (and this I really *Don't know) wouldn't Any types of wings present problems for a non Averiel in childbirth? Or, do they come from eggs?

Avariel aren't born with wings. They grow and develop with the child, reaching full size and strength with adolesence.

And thanks for the encouragement of the idea, all. I really do like happy endings, and want Mazzy and Darian to have one (to compensate for a couple of Darian's *other* endings...)

[minotaur_in_maze]

MiM, please tell me Drellos isn't having naughty thoughts about Kalinsa...

Wow. Up until now I have always thought that conveying Emotion through mere text was difficult.

In this case, Solstice, you have proven me wrong. RARELY have I ever "heard" anyone sound More Offeneded in my life. (Well, perhaps my RL wife after I mentioned wedding plans... ...)

No, my intnetions are honorable. I consider the Kalinsa to be a dear friend though.

Minotaur. *(Drellos, Special FEAT: Ability to repulse females of Any race, apparently. )