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#1 Zyraen

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Posted 16 February 2008 - 07:18 PM

NPC LISTING

Before you go wondering about their stats, their stats are essentially the same ^^;; They all add up to a Total of 88.
These are the cream of the crop, and Silmarillion will hardly be easy, so I decided to put their stats a little more on the high side.
Most of them are multiclasses as Silmarillion is probably the best played with a multi-class party and PC.
All Portraits are tentative ; unlike BG2 which is a zoom-in of the face, the portraits for Silmarillion in the Record Sheet will be from about Waist-up. Portraits have only been included for those that I feel I have found a good portrait for. The smaller portrait will STILL be face only

The following NPCs are the commanders of the Havens that are available for selection, up to a max of 4 in all

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MYRAVIN
Str 18/28 Dex 17 Con 13 Int 16 Wis 10 Chr 14
Female High Elf Fighter/Thief
Chaotic Good
previously one of the assistant house captains in Gondolin, after the fall of that great city she has now risen to be the heads of intelligence within the Havens. Wily, cunning and eloquent, she is good with tactics and manuevering. However she slants towards working alone and tends towards caution when planning advances or information gathering forays.
Romanceable

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ILLUVI
Str 18/74 Dex 17 Con 14 Int 13 Wis 11 Chr 15
Male Sylvan Elf Ranger/Cleric
Neutral Good
Illuvi was previously one of the leaders from Doriath, serving under the leadership of Chief Marchwarden Beleg, and was also known to Mablung the captain of Thingol. In the destruction of Doriath he successfully managed the battle to afford Galadriel a way out of Doriath, and also escorted Elwing to safety from that place. However in that same battle he lost his sister Imari, and henceforth he seems to have undergone a shift from a serious, high-handed, stoic commander to a friendly but erratic, even irreverent sylvan elf with a knack for planning and executing perilous missions. A cunning tactician but veering on the risky side, and not very well-versed in the High Elven Wars.
Romanceable

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MARIC
Str 18/92 Dex 12 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 15 Chr 17
Male Human Paladin
Lawful Good
Maric is one of the capable and renowned human commanders within the Havens, hailing from the house of Beor. He is a capable and strong in combat, and his courage has reached even among the elves. Apart from being a good commander in leading small squads to attack enemies before retreating back in cover, Maric is also known as one of the most charismatic and capable leaders among the humans, well able to motivate and stir up the spirit of men and elves alike, to pick themselves up and follow him
Romanceable

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KYRA
Str 12 Dex 17 Con 13 Int 18 Wis 16 Chr 12
Female Human Mage / Cleric
Neutral Good
Romanceable
Kyra hails from the house of Beor of the humans, and though not well-known within the Havens, at the young age of about 22 she is already one of the key advisers in the Havens. Apart from her considerable ability in arcane arts, she is well-read and well-informed on most of the histories possible available to her. Her mind is able to discern tactical situations as well as strengths and weaknesses of different creatures, and despite being human, she is well aware of the history of most of the High Elven Wars. It is worth noting that prior to the game, despite only meeting lady Elwing for the first time, she was able to impress her and during the briefing by Elwing, shows uncanny insight as to the nature of the forces behind the disturbance.
Romanceable

From the Time-streams (picked up during scenarios, max 4)

FINROD
Str 18/94 Dex 17 Con 11 Int 16 Wis 10 Chr 16
Male High Elf Fighter/Mage
Lawful Good
firstborn of Finarfin, founded the Elven Hidden City of Nargothrond, which was later ruled by his brother Orodreth. after being captured by Sauron, he and Beren and his squad were beaten, starved, and chained, with a werewolf sent to eat one of them everyday to reveal their identity. When only he and Beren were left, the next to be eaten was Beren, but Finrod burst his shackles and despite his weakened and injured state, fought armorless and weaponless against the Werewolf and killed it with his bare hands, before dying of his wounds. Romanceable if he joins you. Obtainable from the Tale of Beren and Luthien
Romanceable

BELEG
Str 16 Dex 19 Con 15 Int 14 Wis 12 Chr 12
Male Sylvan Elf Ranger
Chaotic Good
friend of Turin, head of the marchwardens of Doriath. known to Illuvi. has bonus points in some weapons. previously wielded the Blacksword. He can use the Blacksword if you get it off Turin's scenario. He is known to Illuvi and Mablung. Beleg is also a master of stealth and has good ability in both field battle and surgical-strike operations. Like most of those of Doriath, he is not very familiar with the wars of the High Elves in the early years of the First Age.
Obtainable from the Adventures of Turin.
Romanceable

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TURIN
Str 19 Dex 15 Con 16 Int 13 Wis 10 Chr 15
Male Human Berserker
Chaotic Neutral
slayer of Glaurung, by whom he was in turn slain by (indirectly). Arrogant and abrasive, angsty and aloof, yet he is also persuasive and cunning in his own right. Wields the Blacksword in combat. Romanceable but you won't be able to really have him. Meant to be Stronger than Normal NPC. Obtainable from the Death of Glaurung.

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IMARI
Str 18/46 Dex 18 Con 13 Int 13 Wis 12 Chr 14
Female Sylvan Elf Fighter/Thief
Chaotic Good
younger sister of Illuvi, who perished in the destruction of Doriath preventing the invading armies from reaching her older brother, who was moving to rescue Elwing. She remembers Illuvi as much more serious and overbearing than he was when he was with you. Romanceable if she joins you. Obtainable from the Destruction of Doriath.
Romanceable

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EMAEVA
Str 13 Dex 18 Con 12 Int 18 Wis 12 Chr 15
Female High Elf Mage/Thief
Neutral Good
(note changes made from open Overview) commander under Fingon in the Emergence of Glaurung. she fought the dragon with her men valiantly and gave Fingon time to muster the archers, but lost her life holding the wyrm back up close. She is tricky to rescue, but she proves a valuable ally and has a younger-sister affection for the PC.

KHORIN
Str 18/97 Dex 10 Con 17 Int 12 Wis 18 Chr 13
Male Dwarf Fighter/Cleric
Neutral Good
one of the leaders of the dwarves that have departed from the Dwarven kingdom of Nogrod. A considerable craftsman, and a wily, commander, capable of advising and using terrain to his adavantage. Good at improvising in a pinch. Sounds gruff but his words are wise given his battle experience. However he lacks knowledge on most of the High Elven Wars. he was also a smith that forged the Necklace of Dwarves together with the Silmaril. Advocated not killing Thingol, was trying to convince him to hand it over. He was slain together with the blacksmiths after Thingol was killed. Has extra spell slots. Obtainable from the Death of Thingol.

NPC ROLES
It is worth noting that Silmarillion NPCs may have considerably less interaction (for now) than BG2 NPCs. The romances will still be in place but may also be less extensive than the previous ones.
However, they do play roles more significant than BG2 NPCs, and are not just simple mobile killing robots at the Player's Disposal.
- Reactions : Some of the NPCs, on certain maps, may be involving their close friends / relatives. Oftentimes they will react accordingly, including charging in to try and rescue a loved one at times. This is NOT always predictable, and may or may not happen each time. The chance of this happening will be affected by the total of their Wisdom and Intelligence (I'll try to make it dynamic but no promises)
- Self-"Reacting" : Much like in "Back to the Future" and other time-travel shows, there is the odd chance the NPC may come face to face with himself / herself, creating what some may consider a Paradox. To prevent this, NPCs who move within a certain radius of their Old Self co-existing on the same map, will fall over and suffer some (temporary) penalties and maybe some XP Losses.

**IMPORTANT ROLES**

- Advisers : In BG2, extended, complicated quests are often helped along by non-joinable NPCs who basically tell the Player and the Party what to do. In Silmarillion, due to it being largely a battlefield, it is unlikely there'll be other NPCs telling you what to do. For example, a chronicle of the Fall of Doriath might tell you that Elwing escaped, but you don't really know how to stop say, 5 or 6 enemy squads from ploughing into Elwing's squad and killing her before she escapes. Different NPCs will give you different advice on how to achieve it. While generally their advice will be true, it is not always correct down to the details, and differing characters may have differing advice, based on their tactical strengths (manuevering, stealth, character knowledge, terrain) and personality tendencies (risk taking, cautious, erratic, stoic, brash). It'll be up to the players to experiment and finds out what works best for their party. So do not think that you are just selecting a bunch of peons to follow you around based on muscle-power.

- Predictions : Many of the Silmarillion scenarios, excepting the last 3, are based on historical battles that took place. Some NPCs will be more familiar with a particular map than other NPCs, allowing them to "predict" or "forewarn" you when an significant bunch of allied/enemy squads is coming, or when a particularly nasty badguy (like Gothmog or Sauron) is expected to arrive. The details may not be complete, and sometimes there are timing slip-ups, but generally this will be helpful as you play through the map. Predictions also allow NPCs to warn you about the disturbances that occur OUTSIDE of the sequence of history, ie things that happen possibly as a result of Tampering with the Timestreams. In this way, you are better able to sense when something "sneaky" is afoot. Note that some pure-Mage characters like Kyra (and possibly Finarfin) have very strong magical awareness and can detect or even forewarn you of certain disturbances, even without you able to see them happening.

- NPC Interactions : Some NPCs may be familiar with non-joinable NPCs who are squad commanders within particular maps. This might make it a lot easier to persuade them, or to convince them, to do something that would help your cause. However, lacking these NPCs won't make the quest uncompleteable, just that you may need to use a different tactics or means, or talking to these Squad Commanders might be difficult.

Update
- 11 Apr 2008 : Kyra switched to Mage/Cleric. Khorin has his position confirmed as a Timestream Joinable, combining the 2 Dwarves together. All 4 Commanders from the Havens can now join you for your Quest ; though you can dismiss them along the way.
- 29 Feb 2008 : Elrond Elros and Finarfin have been removed.

Edited by Zyraen, 26 June 2010 - 09:14 AM.

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#2 Alatariel

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 02:44 AM

No idea if you would like comments here or in another threat, or even if you would like them at all, but both Finarfin and Finrod were blond, so the portrait you put doesn't really fit.

Plus, Beleg is not a High Elf.

Other than that, Finrod is a great choice for a romanceable NPC, just please don't let him ramble on Amarie. And the Lay of Leithan... I simply know it will be the best quest...

All in all, I simply can't wait. :>

Edited by Alatariel, 17 February 2008 - 11:34 AM.

'NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency! Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surpr-... I'll come in again.

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#3 vilkacis

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 03:05 AM

GHARIN (pending NPC)
(indeterminate Stats)
Male Dwarf Cleric
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( for debate : to INCLUDE or EXCLUDE ? )

I for one feel that you simply can't have too many dwarves, and would much rather see this guy than any random elf I could think of. (Especially considering there's only one other playable dwarf around.)

...I should add that this is an impressive project, even if I haven't said much (well, anything) about it earlier. Best of luck. :cheers:

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 03:32 AM

ELROND etc.
Male High Elf Fighter/Mage
( for debate : CLASS to include Cleric? to swap details with Elros? )

Well, I believe that there are more than a few cleric spells that have been turned to mage spells. So there would be no need for a cleric class for the lore to combine with the game, but those spells of course are from other mods... so there is at least some coding to be done for this to be non-issue(so the crea's have them but that they don't fill up others spellbooks), and you need to give the credits to, and ask for permission... from someone else.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 03:35 AM

I'd actually swap Fighter/Mage to Elros and go with Fighter/Cleric (or even Fighter/Druid) for Elrond, instead. He's got healing spells.

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Posted 17 February 2008 - 05:27 PM

Alatariel :
Thanks for the heads up on Finrod and Finarfin :) If you never mentioned it would have totally slipped my mind they were both blonde!
About Beleg, just a bad typo there, will fix it.
- UPDATED. Finrod's Portrait swapped to Maric.

Vilkacis :
Thanks for the note on Gharin ^^;; Still the issue is that its difficult enough already to find writers enough to wrap up most of the existing NPCs, I'm not sure how I'd handle one more.

Jarno / Choo Choo :
Thanks for your views :) I'm thinking to create a separate topic to discuss Elrond, so feel free to post there everyone!

Edited by Zyraen, 17 February 2008 - 05:30 PM.

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Posted 18 February 2008 - 05:52 PM

Updated : at the end of the NPC List - includes Special (and IMPORTANT) Roles of Silmarillion NPCs, that differ from standard BG2 NPCs.

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 11:31 AM

Given that this is a TC and you'll be changing the available spell list as it pleases you, you could change the Mage/Cleric distinction from standard D&D to something else. Mages may be more pure casters whereas Clerics are more fighter-mages (making the FC multiclass into more of a FFFM multiclass), or whatever. You don't even need to retain the D&D spell schools (though I don't think you can change opposition schools effectively). In particular, Elrond's healing spells do not necessitate the Cleric class. You're building a great big ball of awesome with this mod anyway. I see no reason (other than work load) not to make it more awesome with a unique caster overhaul.

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 08:50 AM

@Earthquake
Unfortunately, Workload is a big issue, lol :) Besides, balance repercussions aren't something I'd like to live with. It would affect all the other bosses / random badguys with Cleric abils as well, you know.

There will be some changes to the NPC List apart from the update - Finarfin Elrond and Elros are off the list ; and there may be more changes to come.

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#10 Rhaella

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 09:28 PM

Heh, and I'm finally forced to delurk. -_-

Firstly, Finrod's wisdom stat should be way higher. You don't become the token Philosopher King of the Noldor for nothing. It's strange seeing him as romanceable, considering how utterly monogamous most Elves are, and how caught up over Amarie he in particular is, but I can't say I really mind it.

Also, some Fëanorian, not completely villainous, involvement would be awesome. Some of them are still around, and that group is rather interesting. (!!!!)

And since I'm a complete Eldaphile, I should say that your Elvish names don't really look like Tolkien Elvish to me. I can't be necessarily sure with the High Elven ones, since they managed to screw up their own names when they crossed the Sea, but it definitely doesn't look right. Ardalambion in general is a great site for Tolkien's languages, and Hisweloki has a great Sindarin dictionary that's wonderful for name building. You probably wouldn't need a Quenya one, since, well, nobody really speaks it anymore.

Anyway, this looks wonderful. And if you ever do want help with Quenya or Sindarin for anything, and don't have anyone else who knows their way around the grammar, feel free to ask me. :)

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 08:29 AM

@Firstly, Finrod's wisdom stat should be way higher
Now that I think about it, yeah probably so. I'll think about how to tweak his stats so he has at least 12 or so. I wouldn't give him high because from the way things went for him, I think he really didn't handle things very well in the Silmarillion, despite his supposed intelligence and diplomatic tendencies. I'd be more tempted to think of him as a high Int high capability person but with limited Wis overall. Plus of course, it suits his Class ^^;;

@some Feanorean involvement
I originally wanted a member from each main family of the 3 houses (Feanor, Fingolfin, Finarfin) but I had to scrap the idea. Characters from Timestreams only join when they would otherwise have passed away, and Feanorians, while Allied to your party in many many maps (like Dagor Bragollach, Battle Under the Stars, Nirnaeth Arnoediad), only ever die when they are your enemies (Fall of Doriath, Fall of Havens etc). This makes them eminently unsuitable for joining you, though yes they are involved in many ways as non-villains.

In the mod, I discarded all Sindarin and Quenya references, and decided to go Modern English, including in Speech and Names ^^;; I have no intention to use Tolkein's Language, since I always felt it catered more to hard-core Tolkeinists rather than General Fans and General Tolkein Fans, which is what this mod is really aimed at.

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#12 Zyraen

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Posted 11 March 2008 - 02:11 PM

Stnemele : an unexpected viewpoint from you ;) split to a separate topic for discussion.

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#13 Alatariel

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Posted 23 March 2008 - 06:46 AM

Hmm.. Now that you have removed Elros, Elrond and Finarfin (which is a good thing in my books) will you be willing to add some other NPCs in their place?
'NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency! Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our *four*...no... *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surpr-... I'll come in again.

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Posted 03 June 2008 - 12:25 AM

Updated Illuvi and Myravin Portraits.
Note that yes, Illuvi can't use a bow due to his class ^^;; may edit the picture or change to a different one.
But its a good feel for him, humorous yet you can see the marks of his pain on his face.

Edit: Emaeva portrait updated :) Edit by Deathsangel, thank you! Elven ears now included.

Edited by Zyraen, 03 June 2008 - 01:09 AM.

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 09:16 AM

Updated portraits relinked to my Photobucket. Just for ease of viewing

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 05:24 AM

I'd definitely change Emaeva's portrait. The one currently shown is a character named Dawn, from a book (comic?) called Cry for Dawn. She's nearly always depicted in a sleazy way. Probably now the way this Silmarillion character would want to present herself. Just a thought.

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 06:32 PM

Thanks for the heads up :) though thats a lil ironic since every other female elf in modern computer games is dressed somewhat revealingly... haha jk jk

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#18 Zyraen

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 06:45 PM

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Looks best for now. though scaling it into the Record screen would take away the Sword and Robes, which I feel exemplify her class well (Mage / Thief). The look in her eyes is perfect for contemplating the fight ahead. Saddest thing of all is how only half the face is seen, but I guess its not that different from Illuvi's current pic.

Other pics found along the way, just as links :
http://th05.devianta...gatecentral.jpg - almost perfect if facing Glaurung.. but no face :(

And typical "Female Elves" lol, as earlier discussed. Man, but woohoo (esp first pic)
http://img4.imagesha...15priqt08a3.jpg
http://davidjharmon....al_Elf-full.jpg
http://chaos.randomi...lf/Snow Elf.jpg - quite decent actually, just that Snow Elves have too little tint...

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#19 Ipsissimus

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Posted 28 June 2010 - 07:13 PM

If you're still looking for pics, any of these do the trick?

Male elf caster with green hair
Dual-wielding male elf fighter
Blonde female elf
Androgynous blonde elf
Female elf archer
Human male fighter
Blonde male caster elf
Ranger-y looking elves
Robed elf warriors
Elf mages

All found via a quick search for "elf" on DeviantArt.
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Posted 28 June 2010 - 11:35 PM

I'd definitely change Emaeva's portrait. The one currently shown is a character named Dawn, from a book (comic?) called Cry for Dawn. She's nearly always depicted in a sleazy way.

That's also the default portrait for Keiria in Dark Side of the Sword Coast (though there is an alternative).

Your other portrait is better. I don't think portraits need to show weapons necessarily. If you can work them in without being too intrusive - fine; if not, no great loss, since character weapons can be changed. I don't think the other portraits really fit in with the BG2 (or Tolkien) style - especially not anime elves with ears bigger than a donkey's :huh:.

Kind of elf heavy, but I guess that age was. I agree with vilkacis that a dwarf NPC is good. How about an orc NPC? :woot: Yeah, they're almost invariably evil in Tolkien, but maybe there's one out there (perhaps a half-orc) that is more neutral. Still probably hates elves, which could lead to some interesting banters.

And you're planning *how many* romances? :blink: Seems a bit over-ambitious, even if they're not as content-heavy as BG2 ones.

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