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[Solar's Harper]

Banters without the accelerator can vary, some generally only by an hour (real time that is), others not so lucky. All the accelerator will do is bring those banters (if conditions are met to intiate them) to the set amount of real time you have marked down.

(eg: set to 10 minutes, banters will trigger every 10 minutes real-time in weight priority order)

Hope this clears up confusion.
There technically is no standard except for your personal playing time and style.

[Kaeloree]

Well, with a party of 5 Bioware NPCs, you're looking at an average of anywhere from 15-30 banters a game. What NPCs are you playing with, and are you going to use the Banter Pack as well?

If you tell me what NPCs you'll use, I'll be able to tell you exactly how many banters there are. Then divide that by how long you suspect the game will take you, and boom, we have an optimum time. And if it's more than an hour, I'll show you how you can add options to the install.

[berelinde]

I tend to cycle through NPCs, so I generally go for a shorter interval. When I plan to play a party that will stay with me through the whole game, I still install the accellerator, because I've found that the default time is too long for my taste (>2 hours), but I opt for a longer interval.

[Kulyok]

I usually play with a default value, with the Banter Accelerator from Pocket Plane installed: forty minutes. It works well enough for me.

[Kaeloree]

Okay, you're looking at about 20 banters for your good party, IF you keep only Yoshimo and Imoen in the party throughout the game. Adding other NPCs does complicate things. We'll use 20 as an average, though.

For playtime, I mean, hours you spend playing the game--a good average might be 30, for example. If it was around 30, 30/20 is 1.5 hours per banter.

For your evil party, you're probably looking at 25? Or so. It's hard to average, since there are so many variables.

When I say 20 banters, I mean between all of the NPCs--Minsc and Aerie have about 6 in SoA, for example, and Jaheira/Aerie around 2 (IIRC), so that's 8 banters all up for a party of PC, Aerie and Jaheira.

I believe the 5-day delay between Jaheira talks would be from the romance, and not relating to banter.

And unfortunately, banter doesn't work like that. It has to do with the way the dialogue files work. It might be possible to do it, but it would require quite a bit of time, and frankly I think most of the ToB banter is quite self-contained anyway--there won't be any major continuity errors. (And just so you know, IEP Banters doesn't add to ToB currently, only SoA--we wanted to ensure SoA was covered before moving on).

I hope that helps, and no problem.

[Kaeloree]

That is with IEP and Banter Packs, yes. Keep in mind exactly how many NPCs there are--Banter Pack adds around 30 banters to SoA, IEP adds 40-50--there's still a lot to go before we get 2 banters at least between each NPC, even!

And I think I made a typo, there--Minsc and Aerie have 6 all up, but IEP adds 4 to SoA--it does add 2 to ToB, though, which is where I think I got the number "6" from. Edited the appropriate thread, and it'll be fixed in the next release.

I don't think there should be any unusual occurances--the Jaheira thing, as I said, is not something that the Banter Accelerator will alter, since it hasn't got anything to do with banter but the romance. (And I doubt it's 5 days of real time--5 days of game time sounds far more feasable).



Edit: ... and moved this to the IEP Extended Banters forum.

[Solar's Harper]

Not sure if I'm reading this correctly, so if I'm not someone please scold me.
Ahem, anyway from my own experience I can say romance talks themselves are also accelerated with only a few exceptions, and that would be the long waiting sequences, ie: last of Aerie's romance issues in TOB or Jaheira's last meeting in SOA - those aren't accelerated in the same fashion.

I can testify having 3 Anomen lovetalks in the same hour though, and similar has happened with the other romances (exception Aerie for some reason - although after the 1st happens it resumes much the same pace as the others) and mod NPCs.

That was running at 10 minutes acceleration.

It also seems to work out much the same with Mod projects such as BG1's NPC Project or even Classic Adventures. Not sure yet however if bugs occur from such experimentation however.

Also I should note that trying to install a banter accelerator with another one installed at the time will naturally cause the current version to be overwritten.

Anyway - [/long winded response] And yes, if I did read wrong, I apologise to all.
Same applies if I sound patronizing.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Hey,

Can i also ask something related: whatever setting i choose, does that mean that a banter WILL come up, regardless of being in combat or something? If so, is that a vanilla game thing aswell?

Whether a dialog starts in combat is set in the dialog setup. Usually something starting with IF (in coding) . But usually the battle is a condition that prevents one of the If's from being true so the dialog tree waits until it all of them become true. So no the the battle doesn't extend the line to forever, unless it's always on.

[Kaeloree]

Banters will only run if all the conditions are met--if one doesn't trigger, it'll move to the next in the list, and so on. Don't worry, it won't be any slower.

[Kaeloree]

Most of the banters with conditions are scripted, so they will trigger regardless of the banter accelerator. For example, in IEP, when Viconia is hurt Jaheira will heal her. This is a scripted banter, and will occur as soon as Viconia is hurt enough.

But yes, say, if the banter requires the NPCs to be in a forest, they'll have to be in a forest for the banter to trigger. It works no differently to in the original game, which does the same thing--all the banter accelerator does is make it faster by triggering banters more often.

[Choo Choo]

Some people play at... blinding speed, to say the least, disregarding most side quests and just playing through the main story as quick as possible. They need the 10 minute thing to be able to see all banters. But yes, you'd run out of banters fairly fast unless you were playing at that kind of speed. That's what timers is for in the first place - everyone's a different kind of gamer.