It was pretty decent. Except some Anomen bashing bits creeped me out. Otherwise nothing too problematic in any aspect, unless you include him being too damned agreeable and somehow.. childlike.
How is the Kelsey romance?
Started by Klorox, Apr 18 2008 04:30 AM
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 07:39 AM
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 07:55 AM
Where can I find details of Taisha? I haven't been able to just view her stats or readme without actually installing the mod.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 08:36 AM
I agree about the Anomen bashing in the Kelsey mod, like how you can lead him on in ToB, that bugged me a bit... 
Poor lil Anomen.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 08:45 AM
I have long said that Kelsey's greatest overall contribution to the game's storyline is the public rehabilitation of Anomen. It's in evidence here as well.
And nobody forces you to lead Anomen on in TOB. That's your choice as a player.
And nobody forces you to lead Anomen on in TOB. That's your choice as a player.
Edited by jcompton, 19 April 2008 - 08:46 AM.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 09:22 AM
The Anomen bashing is actually what seems to irk people the most, Jc. Even when Anomen "wins" banters with Kelsey, he always comes out looking like an arrogant [CENSORED]. Strange as it may seem to you, there are people who like Anomen, and regard his continual pummeling at Kelsey's hands as being on the excessive and unnecessary side.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 09:54 AM
The Anomen bashing is actually what seems to irk people the most, Jc. Even when Anomen "wins" banters with Kelsey, he always comes out looking like an arrogant [CENSORED].
Well, yeah.
I deliberately write romance conflicts to show characters at or near their worst. This is not news, nor should it be terribly surprising to anybody who has ever been (or ever been anywhere near) a competing suitor.
Strange as it may seem to you, there are people who like Anomen
Strange as it may seem to you, I don't write dialogue to express my personal opinions about characters.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 11:13 AM
The Anomen bashing is actually what seems to irk people the most, Jc. Even when Anomen "wins" banters with Kelsey, he always comes out looking like an arrogant [CENSORED].
Sounds like JC managed to keep Anomen in character then.
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Posted 19 April 2008 - 11:19 AM
I deliberately write romance conflicts to show characters at or near their worst.
Kelsey says hi. If that's him at his worst, then he's even more simplistic and vacant-minded than I thought. Which is saying something.
This is not news, nor should it be terribly surprising to anybody who has ever been (or ever been anywhere near) a competing suitor
To the contrary. Four years ago, I was the center of a feud between the man who's now my husband and another guy who was just my friend. They went so far out of their way to impress me, it was ridiculous. It was only after I proposed to my now-husband that I learned that he and the other guy had some pretty heated arguments-but neither one wanted to look bad in front of me, so they avoided arguing with each other in front of me at all costs.
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 07:43 PM
I really liked Kelsey but now prefer other romances. But Kelsey was one of the first and it is so well done and far more colourful and interesting to me than Solaufein. Yeah the Anomen bashing was annoying but (no offense to Beyond the Law) that writer's Anomen bashing makes Kelsey look like he's treating Anomen kindly.
My fave is Edwin but wish the flirts were more numerous but it looks like Eddie has been abandoned by his author.
Have you played other mod romances?
I would definately give Gavin a chance if you are playing BG1 at all (he's so sweet and well done!) and SOA is in progress. For now I am eagerly awaiting Ajantis and Darian for SOA and also Gavin.
Also Kivan is so sweet and well done but I haven't yet finished his TOB and of course Xan is also at the top of the list as to quality and content. And I am currently playing Sarah and Angelo. So far they are both GREAT!
My fave is Edwin but wish the flirts were more numerous but it looks like Eddie has been abandoned by his author.
Have you played other mod romances?
I would definately give Gavin a chance if you are playing BG1 at all (he's so sweet and well done!) and SOA is in progress. For now I am eagerly awaiting Ajantis and Darian for SOA and also Gavin.
Also Kivan is so sweet and well done but I haven't yet finished his TOB and of course Xan is also at the top of the list as to quality and content. And I am currently playing Sarah and Angelo. So far they are both GREAT!
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 07:58 PM
HeeYeah the Anomen bashing was annoying but (no offense to Beyond the Law) that writer's Anomen bashing makes Kelsey look like he's treating Anomen kindly.
At this point I'm tempted to quote JC "Strange as it may seem to you, I don't write dialogue to express my personal opinions about characters."I have Anomen in almost all my good parties (except for rare occasions where I take Keldorn and do not cheat to get another Gloves of Dex), since there's a general shortage of good, non-evil clerics, for his cool stats and for his uber exploding undead parlor tricks. That last one is a cincher.
I also occasionally play Anomen Romance because its kind of funny to see how he tries to impress the female PC. Still, Anomen is far from my favourite and when I play male characters he genuinely gets on my nerves.
My all-time favourite NPC character is Viconia. She gets in about the same position as Anomen in BTL, being a target for my NPCs ; where Anomen will seek to kill Kova, Kiyone will seek to kill Viconia.
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 08:10 PM
I think the "Kelsey is bad because he bashes Anomen" argument has been used quite enough over the years, and doesn't need yet another rehash.
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 08:39 PM
Personally, while I admire all the work that went into the mod, I found Kelsey himself to be rather tiring. The fact that I got tired of him faster than I did any other NPC (mod or not) surprised even me. He has his moments, but I'm not a big fan of the character overall.
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 09:08 PM
@VIII Of Swords - Hmm I guess you mean the romance progresses but the character does not develop significantly?
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 09:49 PM
Something like that, yeah. Then again, it has been a while since I had Kelsey in my game. My memory of how I viewed his character and the development thereof may be a little less than perfect.@VIII Of Swords - Hmm I guess you mean the romance progresses but the character does not develop significantly?
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Posted 20 April 2008 - 11:11 PM
Personally, it is a pretty good romance, especially if you are looking for a romance that that fits in very well with the game and has lots of content.
Re: the Kelsey/Anomen content - I just never have them in the same party because I don't want to have them bitching at each other. Though I was surprised the time I played it through and chose Anomen that Kelsey is a right prat if you do.
I definitely think it is worth a play through.
...Though I wouldn't recommend reading the 'Bad Kelsey' challenge at PPG otherwise you generally consider Kelsey a dirty liar that will cheat on you in the long run
Re: the Kelsey/Anomen content - I just never have them in the same party because I don't want to have them bitching at each other. Though I was surprised the time I played it through and chose Anomen that Kelsey is a right prat if you do.
I definitely think it is worth a play through.
...Though I wouldn't recommend reading the 'Bad Kelsey' challenge at PPG otherwise you generally consider Kelsey a dirty liar that will cheat on you in the long run
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 02:31 AM
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I think the "Kelsey is bad because he bashes Anomen" argument has been used quite enough over the years, and doesn't need yet another rehash.
I think I'll stick to my favourite quote "Victory to the Spider Gaider!" which shows my opinion quite well, I guess.
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 05:04 PM
I think the "Kelsey is bad because he bashes Anomen" argument has been used quite enough over the years, and doesn't need yet another rehash.
Perhaps but please keep in mind that there are new people coming here and have likely never seen the old threads and to them it isn't a "rehash."
That said I pretty much agree and don't judge a mod romance just based on the Anomen content. At least I haven't so far.
Zyraen I am intrigued. I never had Kiyone and Viconia together. Sounds interesting!!!
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 05:38 PM
UnsurprisingZyraen I am intrigued. I never had Kiyone and Viconia together. Sounds interesting!!!
K&K are likely fixtures in good parties, which would be far more disposed to have folks like Anomen and Keldorn rather than figures (literally) like Viconia.More than just physical attraction though, Viconia is fairly disturbing in that she manages to get under Kova's skin, or more correctly, Kova's scalp...
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 08:50 PM
All they need to do is use the search function.Perhaps but please keep in mind that there are new people coming here and have likely never seen the old threads and to them it isn't a "rehash."
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Posted 21 April 2008 - 09:23 PM
All they need to do is use the search function.Perhaps but please keep in mind that there are new people coming here and have likely never seen the old threads and to them it isn't a "rehash."
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