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[Qwinn]

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This is great--thanks for all the hard work. I haven't played PST in ages, but I'm playing it again because of your new mods.

Awesome, and you're welcome

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There seems to be few options for someone "good" in it:

Agreed. Unfortunately, that's all there really was to play with.

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I take it we're supposed to kill Rake-Chaser? And then get into a fight with the two Fiends in the SCB?

Well, you could do the contract with the Rake Chaser also, and still fight the devils. Another possibility that might not be immediately obvious is to do the contract with "him", and then kill him as he's leaving the area and take the pendant anyway. I doubt that was intended, but I was able to do it with the scripts as they existed, so I put some effort into making sure that doesn't bug things up when you talk to the devils afterwards.

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Does that end the Quest?

Pretty much.

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What do we do with the Pendant once we get it back from the Fiends?

Nothing I'm aware of. It has no special properties.

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You'd mentioned the Quest spanned 2 areas and 6 actors, but I only counted 5 (Rake-Chaser, the two Fiends, Rathbone and the Rake), unless Ilquix counts as the 6th, when he joins in the fight against the Fiends?

I was thinking of Ilquix also when I gave that count, yes, you didn't miss anything I'm aware of.

Qwinn

Edited by Qwinn, 17 July 2008 - 12:02 AM.

[Qwinn]

*nod* It's not a bad idea. I particularly like the Rake-Goes-Home idea. (and for the record, no, he won't show up again as it stands).

What I'm currently considering is leaving all the components installable as they currently exist, where I basically just add the minimum amount required to get any particular component working properly, sticking as close as possible to what was actually in the game files.

Then, once they are installed, you would also get an option to install "Expanded" versions of each component (as opposed to just "Restored"). This is where I could add stuff more freely, where I felt the component needed more than just a simple restoration, things like balancing experience awards, or adding options for varying alignments such as your suggestions above. This wouldn't apply to all components, of course, just the ones where there was something worth expanding upon. Right now, I'm only considering doing expanded versions of the Pendant of Yemeth and Deionarra's Truth components.

Just as a general question to anyone reading this thread: Is this something you'd be interested in? Or do you think you'd prefer to stick with the versions that stick strictly to what I found in the game files? Any input on that would be appreciated.

Note: Don't be expecting anything along those lines for the upcoming release that'll hopefully happen over the next week or two. Something like this would be down the line.

Qwinn

[Arkain]

Qwinn, on Jul 17 2008, 09:15 AM, said:

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This is great--thanks for all the hard work. I haven't played PST in ages, but I'm playing it again because of your new mods.

Awesome, and you're welcome

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There seems to be few options for someone "good" in it:

Agreed. Unfortunately, that's all there really was to play with.

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I take it we're supposed to kill Rake-Chaser? And then get into a fight with the two Fiends in the SCB?

Well, you could do the contract with the Rake Chaser also, and still fight the devils. Another possibility that might not be immediately obvious is to do the contract with "him", and then kill him as he's leaving the area and take the pendant anyway. I doubt that was intended, but I was able to do it with the scripts as they existed, so I put some effort into making sure that doesn't bug things up when you talk to the devils afterwards. [...]

Heh, my thief did the exact same thing - backstab ftw . Interesting quest by the way, with a lot of potential for further plots.

Qwinn, on Jul 17 2008, 11:06 PM, said:

*nod* It's not a bad idea. I particularly like the Rake-Goes-Home idea. (and for the record, no, he won't show up again as it stands).

What I'm currently considering is leaving all the components installable as they currently exist, where I basically just add the minimum amount required to get any particular component working properly, sticking as close as possible to what was actually in the game files.

Then, once they are installed, you would also get an option to install "Expanded" versions of each component (as opposed to just "Restored"). This is where I could add stuff more freely, where I felt the component needed more than just a simple restoration, things like balancing experience awards, or adding options for varying alignments such as your suggestions above. This wouldn't apply to all components, of course, just the ones where there was something worth expanding upon. Right now, I'm only considering doing expanded versions of the Pendant of Yemeth and Deionarra's Truth components.

Just as a general question to anyone reading this thread: Is this something you'd be interested in? Or do you think you'd prefer to stick with the versions that stick strictly to what I found in the game files? Any input on that would be appreciated.

Note: Don't be expecting anything along those lines for the upcoming release that'll hopefully happen over the next week or two. Something like this would be down the line.

Qwinn

I like the idea of having the standard restored and an expanded version avaible. Thumps up.

Maybe one could also think about what to do with the pendant. Maybe TNO could give it to Lothar in exchange for more information or something like that. I guess many mages and fiends would be interested in such an item. Or maybe you could expand upon the cornugon one meets below Curst. There are many possibilities.

[Qwinn]

He can be a little tricky to find, yeah. Look north of Mebbeth's house, I believe to the east side of it. It may not be immediately obvious that you can walk up that way, but you can.

Qwinn

Edited by Qwinn, 25 July 2008 - 09:16 AM.

[Qwinn]

My opinion is, the rewards are commensurate with the difficulty at that stage in the game. I don't think there's a need to change it. Now if you tell me that there's a way to make those fights easy, then there's a problem, but as you indicated that it's "VERY HARD TO DO", I don't have a problem with it.

Of course, gaining that much xp so early on could also make later things trivially easy, so I don't know that I'd recommend it.

Qwinn

[Qwinn]

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Give them the pedant to receive 1000xp, then choose to attack them; after this ilquix will transform and aid you(not very efficient by the way, you may need to reload the game as ilquix does not always morph)

Yeah, I know. It's scripted that way - he actually usually will EVENTUALLY morph, it depends on where he is in his walking-back-and-forth script. If he's at the bar having a drink, he's likely to pause (possibly for a good long while, like 30-40 seconds) before morphing. I thought about changing all that, but then figured it rather fit his chaotic nature.

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But maybe you need it later who knows.

Not at this point. Maybe down the line, if I ever get to doing an Expanded Yemeth Quest, but that probably won't be for quite a while so I wouldn't worry about it. I should note that there ARE good ideas in this thread, and when I finally get around to it I will likely use some of them.

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Another question, what the hell is the sleeping briaur( centaur goat ) in the arno's flophouse?

Nothing I can find. He'll fight back if you attack him, but he doesn't have a dialog file assigned and I don't see how he leads to anything. Just for atmosphere, I guess.

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Oh, do I need Ilquix later on ? Should I not kill him?

Go ahead if you like, you don't need him for anything else later.

Qwinn

[Arkain]

The Lady would maze you, yes. And your alignment might shift more to evil/chaos. Like you said, one level really doesn't make that much of a difference. Besides, if one really wants that level he can visit Undersigil any time later on.

Fighting fiends as a thief is quite easy, btw.

Edited by Arkain, 05 September 2008 - 10:15 AM.

[Zyrica]

Qwinn, on Jul 18 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

*nod* It's not a bad idea. I particularly like the Rake-Goes-Home idea. (and for the record, no, he won't show up again as it stands).

What I'm currently considering is leaving all the components installable as they currently exist, where I basically just add the minimum amount required to get any particular component working properly, sticking as close as possible to what was actually in the game files.

Then, once they are installed, you would also get an option to install "Expanded" versions of each component (as opposed to just "Restored"). This is where I could add stuff more freely, where I felt the component needed more than just a simple restoration, things like balancing experience awards, or adding options for varying alignments such as your suggestions above. This wouldn't apply to all components, of course, just the ones where there was something worth expanding upon. Right now, I'm only considering doing expanded versions of the Pendant of Yemeth and Deionarra's Truth components.

Just as a general question to anyone reading this thread: Is this something you'd be interested in? Or do you think you'd prefer to stick with the versions that stick strictly to what I found in the game files? Any input on that would be appreciated.

Note: Don't be expecting anything along those lines for the upcoming release that'll hopefully happen over the next week or two. Something like this would be down the line.

Qwinn

Could the pendant of Yemeth bring up some lost memories? Can it be done? If TNO was Yemeth at some point, maybe the pendant could bring forth old memories (=experience).

Something like: "The pendant reminds you of something long lost. You recall a part of your life as Yemeth the wizard."
"You gain experience. Your intelligence increases permanently."

Was Yemeth a wizard? I don't remember. But something like that anyway...

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