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[the bigg]

Does anybody know the size of the unmodded dialog.tlk for all the games (both expanded and unexpanded)?

[Steve]

According to cleanSOA/TOBbackup archives:
SOA: 7351948
TOB: 8692747

[the bigg]

String count, not byte size, sorry if I was unclear.

And I mean all the games:
BG1
TotSC
SoA
ToB
IWD
HoW
TotLM
IWD2
PST

[Sasha Al'Therin]

String count, not byte size, sorry if I was unclear.

And I mean all the games:
BG1 -- 22186 string entries
TotSC
SoA
ToB -- 74107 string entries
IWD
HoW
TotLM -- 34502 string entries
IWD2
PST

You can get the count by opening a command/dos window and navigating to the game directory. Run any weidu command line entry of choice which accesses the dialog.tlk. Because you manually opened the command/dos window it will remain open after the weidu command has been processed unlike how it disappears when ran via bat file from windows explorer.

Another option to get the count is to install only one mod (preferably one that doesn't change the dialog.tlk file) and open the debug file. At the very top of the file is a display of the game's status when the installation started. The string count is located there as well.

The BG count is using the current beta version of weidu
The IWD + HOW + TOTLM count is using weidu 208
The BG2 + TOB count was pulled from the debug file from very first mod installed which had used weidu 208

You're lucky I had a chance to try out IWD....

[the bigg]

Thanks, erik and Sasha. There's no need to report the WeiDU version (if different versions of WeiDU report different numbers of string entries, I should change career path very soon).

[the bigg]

More likely this is an user error of some kind in your backup procedure

[the bigg]

I still believe that something odd is at work here. Perhaps there's a tolower conflict here? (if you're on Linux, that is).

[the bigg]

I doubt that HoF adds only 300kb worth of stuff, and IWD leaving exactly enough unused strings before the end, just in time for HoW/TotLM, doesn't make any kind of sense. It's more likely your discs are scratched or there's something else underneath.

[the bigg]

Heh. Look at your own widescreen mod forum, then. My tlks are fine. And remember how much unused remnant crap from BG1 is in those tlks...

("[GARRICK 33] I don't know what I did to deserve that.")

http://forums.gibber...showtopic=14924

"mod on heart of winter."
"[dialog.tlk] loaded, 3289996 bytes
[dialog.tlk] 34502 string entries"

... which matches the HoW 1.41 version I have here.

knan@viconia:~$ ls -al iwd_*
-rw-r--r-- 1 knan knan 2906002 2000-06-23 00:39 iwd_100_dialog.tlk
-rw-r--r-- 1 knan knan 3289632 2001-02-07 14:41 iwd_how_140_dialog.tlk
-rw-r--r-- 1 knan knan 3289996 2001-04-04 15:24 iwd_how_141_dialog.tlk
-rw-r--r-- 1 knan knan 3358595 2001-06-28 19:09 iwd_totlm_142_dialog.tlk

Yes yes yes, all being said and done it still doesn't make sense (where did they pull that 34502 out of? Why did they have to recycle old unused strings rather than just append new ones? What if they didn't have enough positions they could recycle? etc.).

What're you going to use this info for, by the way?

proper --automate.

[Sasha Al'Therin]

Yes yes yes, all being said and done it still doesn't make sense (where did they pull that 34502 out of? Why did they have to recycle old unused strings rather than just append new ones? What if they didn't have enough positions they could recycle? etc.).

Well, BG vanilla has strings that are only used in ToTSC. I believe this is because they were forced to put out a working copy of the game and so added the rest later as an expansion. Perhaps they had more time with IWD and had most if not all of the dialog in place before being made to ship what they had completed. Who knows really why the string count is the same... We can double check those numbers though.... Wouldn't hurt anything...

[Isaya]

Here are a few others :

BG + TotSC: 24124
IWD2: 41422
PST: 106497

[the bigg]

Thanks, this should be all of them (barring further discoveries regarding IWD1/HoW/TotLM).

[Sasha Al'Therin]

In case you really wanted to know:
Easy Tutu without ToTSC installed
89142 string entries

[the bigg]

Nah, I think I won't add special values for the various flavors of Tutu. --automate will still work if I use a number which is smaller than the real count (for example if I leave the SoA count while on Tutu); it will give problems in the other situation (Tutu count on SoA).

[Sasha Al'Therin]

I just did a complete re-install of IWD+HOW+TOTL I saved and renamed the dialog.tlk file at each stage. I then did a tlkcmp to find out how many strings each version had.

Here are the results:
String count:
[iwd_original_dialog.tlk] 34502 string entries
[iwd+how_dialog.tlk] 34502 string entries
[iwd+how+totl_dialog.tlk] 34502 string entries

I can if you wish provide the tph files containing the changes between versions...