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[OneEyedPhoenix]

On other news, the Xvart Village area had some overlapping "Xvart Protectors"

Offhand, this seems like a likely culprit, no?

00002: ~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ 0 13 // Improved Xvart Village, for BGT-weidu

I have also got this component and had no such bug so I don't think it's that easy. (Unless Lollorian's version for some reason is not the "BWP v6 Fix" version.)

Edited by OneEyedPhoenix, 25 September 2009 - 07:55 AM.

[Lollorian]

Hmm ... yeah <removes the Oversight component from install.bat>

But, my problem does't stem from the fact that they all get charmed ... but the fact that the charm doesn't wear off ... So when I click the "all party select" button, I get followed by an army of squirrels (even after resting 2 times ... 16 hours consecutively )

About the Xvart Village, the culprit(s) seem to be DSotSC AND BP_177 ... Both their ar3498.bafs add plenty of "BP_SpawnStooges" spawns. I'm pretty confused about what actually happens so, I dunno what's wrong and where... Anyway, they're all dead now so I don care!!!

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 25 September 2009 - 08:21 AM.

[Lollorian]

Ok, this is from my sis' game

Looks like the DarkHorizons items need to be thoroughly checked

This is CMAX04.itm (Battle Ax +3: "The Decapacitor"). When Monty equips this, it shows up properly in his iventory but ...

This is his quick slot pic ... the ax is quipped but no bam I looked through NI to see what I could change, but couldn't find something that controlled the quick-slot

Here's da changelog:

Mods affecting CMAX04.ITM:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-DARKHORIZONS.TP2~ 0 0 //  "Dark Horizons" Mod (Requires Tales of the Sword Coast TuTu or BGT)
00001: ~SETUP-REVISEDBATTLES.TP2~ 0 0 // Improved Battles - "erebusant's Patching Version" v6
00002: ~SCSII/SETUP-SCSII.TP2~ 0 1000 // Detectable spells (required for most other components)
00003: ~ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2~ 0 14 // Remove Cleric Weapon Restrictions from Multi-classed Clerics
00004: ~ITEM_REV/ITEM_REV.TP2~ 0 18 // Backstabbing Penalties Only
00005: ~LEVEL1NPCS/LEVEL1NPCS.TP2~ 0 1 // Tweak weapon proficiencies for some classes (a la Ashes of Embers and aVENGER's Rogue Rebalancing?

Could it be that some other mod tries to change the bam?? (before I go posting in the DH forums )

Next is the CMBUQ01.itm (Bullets of Detonation), its quick slot shows IDROW02.bam (the green-background one that was reported already). The inventory icon is like the Bullets +2 (the red ones)

Changelog:

Mods affecting CMBUQ01.ITM:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-DARKHORIZONS.TP2~ 0 0 //  "Dark Horizons" Mod (Requires Tales of the Sword Coast TuTu or BGT)
00001: ~MIXMOD/MIXMOD.TP2~ 0 5 // Increase Ammo by 300%

Cheers,
Lol

PS: Here's jaheira's 3 Sunscorches (2 from Divine Remix and 1 from SR)

Edited by Lollorian, 09 October 2009 - 01:59 AM.

[Lollorian]

I just found the DLTCEP and it seems to have many tools to check the files

I've been running each check and boy does it give me some HUGE lists Is it reliable enough to warrant posting here??

For example, the shortest log was generated for projectiles: (brackets are where they come from)

Checking projectiles...
ICEGLYP (NeJ)
VVC is unused in projectile.
XPRO03 (Exnem Vault)
Unusual travel speed: 49
GOLDBRE (RoT)
Sparks are not visible for creeping projectiles.
FWANIM01 (Forgotten Wars Item Pack)
Unusual travel speed: 49
FIREBLGR (Planar Sphere Mod)
Unusual travel speed: 24
ICEEXPL (RoT)
Unusual travel speed: 16
BOULDER (SoBH and BP ... probably BP )
Unusual travel speed: 24
Done.

Cheers,
Lol

[Hoppy]

This is CMAX04.itm (Battle Ax +3: "The Decapacitor"). When Monty equips this, it shows up properly in his iventory but ...

This is his quick slot pic ... the ax is quipped but no bam crying.gif I looked through NI to see what I could change, but couldn't find something that controlled the quick-slot tongue.gif

I have seen this in some CoM mods and Fr/RoV only with one or two items. Try adding the BAM when you open the file in: Item Ability/Melee/Icon. That is your weapon slot tag.

PS: Here's jaheira's 3 Sunscorches (2 from Divine Remix and 1 from SR)

What about one from The Darkest Day? SPPR124 is the file for TDD. Looks like it is the first one in your pic rather than 2 from Remix Divine . That sucks because those eat away slots for other spells especially when you get to the higher levels.

Shadowkeeper to the rescue for vast divine duplication deletion as I can't remember if there is a 2da file that controls all those spells getting written to the spellbook. I have only found one that controls the amount per level.

Edited by Hoppy, 10 October 2009 - 10:16 AM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

PS: Here's jaheira's 3 Sunscorches (2 from Divine Remix and 1 from SR)

I do question that, cause I had 2, and didn't install Divine Remix.

[Lollorian]

Woohoo ... some REAL bugs now (I still don't get why I get all happy when I get bugs )

I started summoning the NPCs one by one from the ToB Fate Spirit ... and I got some interesting quirks from some of them (I'll try to summon all of em today though )

Nathaniel:
Doesn't have his katana equippable even though their usability flags look normal

Neh'thaniel:
He shows up with a green circle and a "has nothing to say" thing when I click him I had to Ctrl-Q him to get him in the party (he has a Lilarcor like talking weapon who's only able to converse though ) Btw, is he supposed to show up like some kinda ghost?? (see below)



Questor:
First off, she looks like a Drow?? With a normal colored portrait?? ... But that's not all, she has non-removable armor (Boots of Speed, Robe of neutral Archmagi, Ring of Prot+1) And when I try to kick her out with the "Didn't I just tell you to leave??" option, nothing seems to happen, I get the same options again and again (like a loop )

Angelo:
Is he intended to be fair in his portraits and dark in his paperdoll??

Touchstone:
No subtitles for commands

Ninafer:
She just stands there and gives me the "can't talk right now. Ninafer appears busy" thing And when I hover over her, she gets regular tooltip refreshes every 2 secs

Hubelpot:
Same problem as Ninafer

... I'll try to cover more soon

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 18 October 2009 - 07:54 PM.

[Lollorian]

Ok, tis been a while now

But I felt I should post another "quirk" in here ... Ya see, my spell-casting chars (mages, and druids) seem to have random bouts of "Morale Failure" and start running around like frackin idiots (bringing more monstas to the fight ) At first, I thought it was just a low-level char (Lvl1) being scared by big-huge-scary Hobgoblins thing ... but now, when they're Lvl4 and facing Kobolds (albeit a hordes of them ) dya think they should be scaredy catz from some "dog-men"??

For the record, the mage and druid in question are Xzar and Jaheira (I had to ctrl-Y Jaheira cause where I saved it, she starts going "Morale Phail" immediately after loading ... and runs into some uber assassins from Dark Horizons ... ALL THE TIME!!!)

I didn't notice this problem during my BWP6 run. is there some mod that tweaks these things?? I'd like to skip this from next time

Cheers,
Lol

PS: I'm also worried about the problem with Fate-spirit-summoning Ninafer and Hubelpot ... and Neh'thaniel too

Anything I may do, post, changelog to find out what's going bonkers with them??

Edited by Lollorian, 23 October 2009 - 06:33 AM.

[kthxbye]

I have really no idea on why your chars should get a morale failure if not heavily wounded or other characters died really quick. You could try to buff the whole party with Remove Fear the whole time, as it seems to prevent morale failures too.

[Lollorian]

Ah, thanks for the tip The problem is that I never had this need to cast any spells just to keep party morale high though

Oh well, looks like a certain mod that can revise the spells to rememorize based on time rather than resting could come in handy now

Cheers,
Lol

[Miloch]

Anything I may do, post, changelog to find out what's going bonkers with them??

I assume they're not getting hit by Horror spells or the like. Change-log the NPC .cre files and their scripts I guess... no guarantee that will reveal the problem though (some idiot may have shoved something morale-related in baldur.bcs for all we know).

PS: I'm also worried about the problem with Fate-spirit-summoning Ninafer and Hubelpot ... and Neh'thaniel too

I'm not sure if that's the standard way of meeting the NPCs, but I guess post those issues in the respective NPC forums if you haven't.

[kthxbye]

Oh well, looks like a certain mod that can revise the spells to rememorize based on time rather than resting could come in handy now

You're the second one to ask for this, and actually I was thinking of a way to make this.
If nobody else wants to write this, I could try and make it a component of ktweaks - I'd go with some blocks in the main script file, modifying a variable stored on each member of the party (as a countdown) which sets to 0 after having rested, and a check to reset the variable to 0 and rememorize one spell every time the local variable hits X value. It would mean adding wuite some blocks to baldur.bcs tho, and I don't know if this could cause slowdowns or other issues.
It could also break balance.

Anyway, if you want it and nobody's working/wants to work on it, let's discuss it in the ktweaks topic to keep this one clean.

[Lollorian]

Changelogs ho!!!

Mods affecting JAHEIR2.CRE:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ 0 0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core
00001: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-BGTNEJ.TP2~ 0 2 // Priest of Sylvanus (Druid) Kit and Improved Character Jaheira.
00002: ~SETUP-DSOTSC.TP2~ 0 200 // Additions only
00003: /* from game biffs */ ~SPELL_REV/SETUP-SPELL_REV.TP2~ 0 60 // Update Spellbooks of Joinable NPCs
00004: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5000 // Smarter general AI
00005: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5010 // Better calls for help
00006: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5043 // Priests use spells from BG1 and BG2; priests pre-buff
00007: ~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ 0 0 // Big Picture AI/Enhancement Mod, version 177 weidu (beta)
00008: ~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ 0 6 // Alternative Harper/Xzar Plot
00009: ~DIVINE_REMIX/SETUP-DIVINE_REMIX.TP2~ 0 0 // Divine Remix Core Components (Required for Everything)
00010: ~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ 0 2400 // Enemy items shatter
00011: ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ 0 4041 // Use BG2 Values
00012: ~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ 0 4050 // Change Jaheira to Neutral Good
00013: ~AURORA/SETUP-AURORA.TP2~ 0 255 // Reduce to 25%

Mods affecting XZAR2.CRE:
00000: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ 0 0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core
00001: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-DSOTSC.TP2~ 0 200 // Additions only
00002: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5000 // Smarter general AI
00003: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5010 // Better calls for help
00004: ~SETUP-SCS.TP2~ 0 5033 // Mages use spells from BG1 and BG2; mages pre-buff
00005: ~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ 0 0 // Big Picture AI/Enhancement Mod, version 177 weidu (beta)
00006: ~SETUP-BGTTWEAK.TP2~ 0 2400 // Enemy items shatter
00007: ~AURORA/SETUP-AURORA.TP2~ 0 255 // Reduce to 25%

Also attached my exported BALDUR.BCS (in extra fun BAF mode

@kthxbye: There's a mod that tries to do this though. I'd recommended adding it to the BWP in the "BWP Wishlist (Modupdates for 8+)" thread And I see that Jarno Mikkola has it in his WeiDU.log at the end

Personally, I'd LOVE to see something like that in my game (getting tired of resting 10 times in each dungeon level to clear it out )

Maybe some modifications or something might make it more compatible?? And less cheesy than it looks

Cheers,
Lol

Attached Files

•  BALDUR.7z   48.59K   130 downloads

[Hoppy]

For the record, the mage and druid in question are Xzar and Jaheira (I had to ctrl-Y Jaheira cause where I saved it, she starts going "Morale Phail" immediately after loading ... and runs into some uber assassins from Dark Horizons crying.gif ... ALL THE TIME!!!)

Do you have characters in your party getting killed quickly in a battle? That will also cause some party members to panic. You can test this by randomly Ctrl+y party members and then ctrl+r them and repeat the process. There is a percentage that one or two of the living party members panic depending on their morale failure and the amount of damage they are witnessing or reacting to with death.

Stay strong and be tactical when this happens in normal combat. Cast remove fear from cleric or mage spell and that cures them.



EDIT: Maybe a changelog for MORALEAI.IDS will give you changes that effect morale rather than individual characters. Whatever adds these at 190 and 200 may be what's causing massive panic and it is what it is.

1 KAMIKAZE
10 FOOLHARDY
25 FEARLESS
50 BRAVE
100 AVERAGE
150 CAUTIOUS
175 WIMP
190 CHICKEN_SHIT
200 SCARED_SHITLESS

Edited by Hoppy, 23 October 2009 - 12:54 PM.

[kthxbye]

@Lollorian: oh, good to know there's a mod that does that already, just to avoid duplicates. What I had in mind is actually a bit different (restore one spell of the lowest level possible, thus refilling with the less powerful to the most powerful ones, with a timer affecting the whole thing instead of one for each spellslot), but I think you can ask them to modify a component to make it less unbalancing I guess.

[Jarno Mikkola]

EDIT: Maybe a changelog for MORALEAI.IDS will give you changes that effect morale rather than individual characters. Whatever adds these at 190 and 200 may be what's causing massive panic and it is what it is.

Erhm, there is no moral.ids in the normal game, so there is a good chance this is mod added behavior indeed, and I think it's one of the big mods, cause even the Classic Adventures mods has this; as that mod was build with some of the big mods as it's base... the --change-log gives nothing. Edit, darn changelog.bat, of course I used you wrong, whatever.
The BPv177 does, as the file is the same as in <game>\BPv177\RULE\ one, so it would be BP v177

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 24 October 2009 - 02:17 AM.

[Hoppy]

EDIT: Maybe a changelog for MORALEAI.IDS will give you changes that effect morale rather than individual characters. Whatever adds these at 190 and 200 may be what's causing massive panic and it is what it is.

Erhm, there is no moral.ids in the normal game, so there is a good chance this is mod added behavior indeed, and I think it's one of the big mods, cause even the Classic Adventures mods has this; as that mod was build with some of the big mods as it's base... the --change-log gives nothing.
The BPv177 does, as the file is the same as in <game>\BPv177\RULE\ one, so it would be BP v177

There you go

[Lollorian]

Thanks a lot Hoppy and Jarno,

Now, some more stuff about the problem ... The "Morale Failures" happen almost randomly. No one dies, no one's critically wounded and still they still act like ninny-whats The last time it happened, Jaheira started going yellow as soon as I stepped in dungeon level 2 of the Nashkel Mines ... and funny thing is, there was no enemy in sight

Oh btw, they're not under "Horror" either For that matter, I can't Ctrl-R them to green at all

I do have a MORALEAI.IDS with the exact contents of what you posted.

BUT But but ... running a changelog gives me: <drumroll>

Mods affecting MORALEAI.IDS:
00000: ~SETUP-TACTICS.TP2~ 0 31 // Mike Barnes' Improved Small Teeth Pass
00001: ~SETUP-TACTICS.TP2~ 0 32 // Mike Barnes' Improved North Forest
00002: ~SETUP-TACTICS.TP2~ 0 33 // Mike Barnes' Marching Mountains
00003: ~SETUP-ASCENSION.TP2~ 0 0 // Ascension v1.41 (requires ToB)
00004: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-BGT.TP2~ 0 0 // Baldur's Gate Trilogy - Core
00005: /* from game biffs */ ~SETUP-VALEN.TP2~ 0 0 // Valen
00006: ~AURENASEPH/SETUP-AURENASEPH.TP2~ 0 0 // Auren Aseph V6.2 for BG2:ToB
00007: ~SARAHTOB/SETUP-SARAHTOB.TP2~ 0 0 // Sarah NPC Romance Mod for BG2:ToB
00008: ~SETUP-BPV177.TP2~ 0 0 // Big Picture AI/Enhancement Mod, version 177 weidu (beta)
00009: ~SETUP-TACTICS.TP2~ 0 3 // Improved Sahuagin City
00010: ~SETUP-TACTICS.TP2~ 0 37 // Streamlined Trolls
00011: ~SETUP-SOLAUFEIN.TP2~ 0 0 // Solaufein Romance for Baldur's Gate II (SoA & ToB)
00012: ~SETUP-SHEENA.TP2~ 0 0 // Install A Half Dragon Tale
00013: ~KELSEY.TP2~ 0 0 // Kelsey v2.1: for BG2 - SoA
00014: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 0 // Kiara-Zaiya for BG2 SOA
00015: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 1 // Custom Kiara-Zaiya soundset (available separately).
00016: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 2 // Alternate High level abilities by TG Maestro
00017: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 3 // Original Amaralis battles
00018: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 4 // Tougher Kiara vampire
00019: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 5 // Revised Suldalanessar
00020: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 6 // Jao and party for SOA: another tough fight
00021: ~SETUP-KIARA-ZAIYA.TP2~ 0 7 // Tougher Irenicus at the tree of life
00022: ~DIVINE_REMIX/SETUP-DIVINE_REMIX.TP2~ 0 0 // Divine Remix Core Components (Required for Everything)

For such an important file, it seems to get modded by a lotta unnecessary mods

For reference, this is MY MORALEAI.IDS:

IDS V1.0
1 KAMIKAZE
10 FOOLHARDY
25 FEARLESS
50 BRAVE
100 AVERAGE
150 CAUTIOUS
175 WIMP
190 CHICKEN_SHIT
200 SCARED_SHITLESS

Cheers,
Lol

EDIT: I just realized that WeiDU actually shows how the file got changed by making copies of the file in the BGII-SoA folder like MORALEAI0000.IDS, MORALEAI0001.IDS, ... etc. I'm attaching the entire 22 copies of the .ids (maybe it can tell whether the .ids got changed a lot ... then got overwritten by something)

EDIT2: Ok, I went through the 23 copies and found that the only mods that "affect" (in the sense of overwriting ) the MORALEAI.ids are BG2Fixpack (which creates a blank .ids), BGT (which creates the one me and Hoppy posted) and BPv177 (which also does the same thing BGT does).

The other mods in the changelog apparently don't actually change the .ids (I wonder why they show up in the changelog though )

Oh and btw, seeing that they don't go "help mee!!" just by seeing an enemy or a comrade die, I dunno whether the Remove Fear thing's gonna work though (anyway, going by that logic, only Paladins could make good leaders in the early levels ... so are non-pally parties screwed??)

And another thing ... Is this just being experienced by me?? If yes, then that's a sign that this is some "Expert" mod's doing

Attached Files

•  MORALEAI_changes.7z   407bytes   153 downloads

Edited by Lollorian, 23 October 2009 - 09:02 PM.

[Miloch]

I was sort of thinking this was a BP thing. And anyway, aren't you supposed to install SCS *after* BP, not vice-versa?

You could just open up your moraleai.ids with a text editor, select all, delete the contents, and save it. Or just delete it. Because this is the natural state of the unmodded game (though the game still expects to find this file for some reason, but it can be blank). But I'm not sure how BP or other mods make use of the contents of the file, if it has any, but it seems a bit dodgy to me.

Another thing you could do is up the Morale and lower the Morale Break (and maybe the Morale Recovery while you're at it) of your NPC .cre files. It seems pretty stupid to me that Jaheira (in unmodded BG1 anyway) should have 10, 5 and 60 there. That means she's a big wuss in 2e PnP terms. If she's a badass F/D, hanging with a Bhaalspawn (which she is of course), it should be more like 15, 4 and 30 there - and those are conservative values. The first 2 values have to do with a d20 roll (AFAICT) and the last one is the number of seconds it takes to recover from morale failure (a whole minute is a bit ridiculous in game terms).

But since this doesn't happen nearly as often in an unmodded game, obviously there's som'n else screwing it up (like moraleai.ids).

[Jarno Mikkola]

Mods affecting MORALEAI.IDS: ...

For such an important file, it seems to get modded by a lotta unnecessary mods

Ah, none of them actually modify the file, it's same in everyone, the difference is that they would update the file if it wasn't there, ouh and they do add additional behavior associated to the ids, so the chances are that the "SCARED_SHITLESS" might be bad, good or at least different is high.