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[Agashi]

Yay! Finally got some time to play.

 

I've finally reached the ToB portion of the romance after deciding to go ahead and commit to Anomen just so I could get as much content as possible on my first play-through, and I must say, I've never felt this guilty about romancing two guys at once before. The PID option to tell HD that I'm in love with Anomen had me feeling genuinely disgusted with myself. Will Haer Dalis call it quits with you if this arrangement continues for too long? If so, does he just leave the party, or does he give the player the opportunity to be only with him? Does Sarevok factor into it anywhere if you are getting friendly with him also?

 

I know you've insinuated in the past that there are consequences for philandering, but I was just curious about how bad those consequences are and when exactly they occur. I suppose I could just play the mod and find out, but I'm the type that likes to read the end of the book before getting too far in.

[Aeryn]

For those who don't want to be super spoiled but appreciate being warned, I'll only repeat that there are indeed consequences to multi-romancing.

 

For those who don't mind the spoilers...

 

Spoiler

Yes, there will come a point where Haer'Dalis decides he's ready to let a cheating PC go, and no, there's no way to talk him down if you've let multiple romances go on for that long. The romance will end if any of the following characters have a committed romance variable and are in the party when lovetalk 11 (which begins "I have a gift for you...") triggers:

 

Anomen, Gavin, Edwin, Kelsey, Tsujatha, Angelo, Kivan, Xan, Keldorn, Aran, Valygar, Lask, Adrian, Arath, Darian, Faren, Neh'taniel, Ajantis, Chloe, Sime, Sarevok, and Solaufein

 

Edit: Oops, note that the above applies to PC's who are also in a committed romance with Haer'Dalis - on the uncommitted track, HD ends the "romance" with the PC at that same point (LT11) regardless of other romances (or lack thereof).

Edited by Aeryn, 09 January 2013 - 11:12 PM.

[Agashi]

Oh, gotcha. Thanks for such a quick response, Miss Aeryn. I'm sure your busy.  Last question: Are those talks all timered? 'Cuz I might just run through them quickly and start a new game.

[Aeryn]

Everything is on a timer, except LT11, which won't trigger until after you meet Balthazar the first time. Ah, that reminds me - I'll update the overview section with the ToB outline.

 

And it's no problem at all! Happy to answer questions.

[Aeryn]

Yeah, you would have to break it off yourself. Anomen doesn't say anything, and by the time Haer'Dalis says something, it's too late to change your mind. Or, you could just kick Anomen from the party if you'd rather not dump him. The other romance has to be both committed AND in the party.

[Cal Jones]

Oh god I think I've made an awful mistake then - I had Anomen in party but wasn't romancing him and H'D dumped me anyway. Was there a conversation earlier I should have had? (Because, gah, that's a LOT of BG2 I'm going to have to replay).

[Aeryn]

Let me take a look at everything, because that's definitely not right. The romance with HD was set to 2, not 1, correct? He'll bail on an uncommitted PC as well as a cheating one.

 

Edit: Also, did he mention Anomen by name? He'll say the person he's conflicting with in the conversation if the problem is a conflict rather than a commitment thing.

Edited by Aeryn, 14 January 2013 - 01:24 AM.

[Cal Jones]

No, it's not you it's me!

 

It never got past 1 and I just wondered which conversation should have changed that. I tend to play my female Bhaalspawn as myself and I'm quite English and reserved in real life when it comes to making outward declarations of love (always felt extremely uncomfortable with those three little words, even when the sentiment happened to be true).

 

Anomen was never mentioned - I shut him down before he did his test.

Edited by Cal Jones, 14 January 2013 - 02:46 AM.

[Aeryn]

Oooh, okay!

 

Spoiler

The commitment change comes at the very, very, VERY end of SoA. As in, seconds before meeting Irenicus for the final battle while placing the Tears. HD will make his confession - if you accept, the romance goes to 2, and if you let him down gently, there are a few scattered chances for a PC-initiated commitment change in the early bits of ToB. Those are a bit forward, though.

[Cal Jones]

Ah, well I see where it went wrong, then - he didn't talk to me in Hell. I am wondering if the fact I had revised hell trials component of the Questpack installed affected things.

 

Log:

 

Spoiler

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
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~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #17 // Corrected Character Names and Biographies: v18
~SETUP-UB.TP2~ #0 #19 // Restored Bhaalspawn Powers, by David Gaider: v18
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1010 // More Interjections: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1080 // Add Bags of Holding: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1170 // Bonus Merchants (Baldurdash): v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1180 // Female Edwina: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1200 // Imoen ToB Dialogue Fix: v9 BWP Fix
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~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2230 // Make +x/+y Weapons Consistent: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2231 // Description Updates for Make +x/+y Weapons Consistent Component: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3000 // Higher HP on Level Up -> Maximum: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3040 // Make Bags of Holding Bottomless: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove fatigue from restoration spells: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3080 // Unlimited Ammo Stacking: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3090 // Unlimited Gem and Jewelry Stacking: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3100 // Unlimited Potion Stacking: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3110 // Unlimited Scroll Stacking: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3120 // Happy Patch (Party NPCs do not complain about reputation) -> NPCs are never angry about reputation: v9 BWP Fix
~BG2_TWEAKS/SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3150 // Turn Off The Hideous Cloak-of-Mirroring, Spell-Trap, and Physical Mirror Animations: v9 BWP Fix
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #200 // Allow Breach to take down Stoneskin effects applied by items: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #201 // Instant casting for warrior innates: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #210 // Restore the Dispel Magic vulnerability to Nishruu and Hakeashars: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #301 // Change the appearance of Valygar's armor: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #302 // Change the appearance of the Robe of Vecna: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #303 // Give Shambling Mounds their proper soundset: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #310 // Distinctive creature coloring: v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #500 // Slightly expanded storage capacity for containers -> Use the recommended storage capacity value (999): v2.61
~ATWEAKS/SETUP-ATWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #600 // Expanded temple services: v2.61
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #4 // Miscellaneous Enhancements: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #6 // Alternative Harper/Xzar Plot: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #7 // Extended Reynald Sequence: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #8 // Intrigue In The Copper Coronet: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #9 // Rahul Kanakia's Potion Quest: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #10 // Revised Hell Trials: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #12 // Improved Oasis II -> IO2 Dialogue Enhancement Only: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #13 // Saving Sanik In Brynnlaw: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #14 // Burglary Of The Bookkeeper: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #16 // The Tragedy Of Besamen: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #18 // Sending The Solamnic Knights Home: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~SETUP-D0QUESTPACK.TP2~ #0 #20 // Reward Negotiation: v2.3 (Feb 14, 2010) BWP Fix
~ALMAPLACES/SETUP-ALMAPLACES.TP2~ #1 #0 // Realistic Aran Linvail's cloakroom
~ALMAPLACES/SETUP-ALMAPLACES.TP2~ #1 #1 // Restored Trademeet tent
~ALMAPLACES/SETUP-ALMAPLACES.TP2~ #1 #2 // Restored Kiser's guest bedroom
~HAERDALISROMANCE/HAERDALISROMANCE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Haer'Dalis Romance (SoA & ToB): v2
~SAREVOKFRIENDSHIP/SAREVOKFRIENDSHIP.TP2~ #0 #0 // Sarevok Friendship for BGII: ToB: 1
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Install Enkida's Portrait Mod?: v2.0
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~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #101 // Alternate Aerie: v2.0
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~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #111 // Alternate Mazzy -> Alternate Mazzy in platemail: v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #113 // Alternate Nalia -> Alternate Nalia (default): v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #114 // Alternate Sarevok -> Alternate Sarevok: v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #131 // Alternate Sendai: v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #132 // Alternate Valygar -> Alternate Valygar with short hair: v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #116 // Alternate Viconia: v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #133 // Alternate Yaga Shura -> Alternate Yaga Shura (default): v2.0
~EPORTRAITS/EPORTRAITS.TP2~ #0 #117 // Alternate Yoshimo: v2.0

 

Anyway, I have cheated my way out of it - loaded a save just before he gave me the book and changed the romance variable to 2. I couldn't face playing all the way through Saradush and Watcher's Keep again (not on this run, anyway!)

[Aeryn]

Ah, yeah we had an issue with another mod that tweaked things in the Hell sequence, so that's entirely possible. I'll let K'ae check it out when he gets the chance - doubt I'd be able to see what specifically is causing the problem. Gah, sorry Cal!

 

If anyone else has a similar issue, there's no solution really, but you can work around the issue by either telling Haer'Dalis you love him in one of the first ToB dialogs (LT1 I know can change the commitment, so can the first inn encounter in Saradush, and I think there's a few others? but can't recall which), or by just setting the romance to 2 and going on about your business as if you'd gotten the Hell talk.

[Cal Jones]

Thanks - I did wonder why he said I'd cruelly rebuffed him when I'd been nice and encouraging the whole time. Ah well!

[Setepenre]

So...so...so...so...so... Saravok is no longer a "freebie?" 

 

Say it ain't so!!!   *sniffle*

 

Well...at least I've been able to have me some Saravok lovin' before.  I won't need to hang myself after all.

 

But I have to ask -  in your spoiler section of names, I know all of them but two.  

     Who is Lask?  And isn't Aran only a mod in theory only and not completed or being worked on?  I mean, if there are actually two other romances out there I'd like to give them a try. 

[Aeryn]

Well, Sarevok will only conflict if his romance is committed, and since that happens REALLY late in ToB (and only on one romance path), it's totally possible to sneak both of them in. So, he's still half a freebie!

 

Lask is an NPC I'm working on, but progress is sloooow. I'm a professional procrastinator. If I ever manage to find my muse, he'll (Lask... not my muse... ) end up being a companion for BG and BG2. And Aran is playable (or was, did a good bit of testing with him some while back), but I don't think he's completely complete yet. It's been a while since I checked on the status of the mod.

Edited by Aeryn, 23 January 2013 - 06:25 PM.

[berelinde]

Wait, your muse will be a BG/BG2 companion? How cool is that!

[Aeryn]

Hah, not very! My muse would have the lowest possible constitution and need a nap every few minutes and whine about working and vanish from the party from time to time for no reason.

[Setepenre]

LOL!  Well, I feel much better!  I had forgotten that Saravok doesn't commit until late, so I can branch games and still have two GREAT guys. 

 

I had no clue that Aran was almost playable.  Wow!  I keep track of him over at G3, but silly me, I forgot that his name is "Aran" and when I saw you include him in your list I confused him with Khadion (I think his name is) who is "Aran" Lindvail's son.  D'oh!  I'm getting senile a tad early...

 

So, Lask will be a companion for both BG and BGII?  Awesome!  Good luck with your muse and with Lask.  I like that name, btw.  He sounds like he could be anything from a human nobleman to a half-orc. 

Edited by Setepenre, 23 January 2013 - 08:41 PM.