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[The Imp]

GemRB uses the game files just like the baldur.exe does.  The only incompatible mod with GemRB is TobEx because that mod modifies the baldur.exe (and Gemrb can be programmed to do anything that TobEx did).

But see, the GemRB doesn't come with it's own version of the BGMain.exe, it's build from the build libraries and the files that are included, and with Python and other programs... with aren't free.

Yes, there are free version of those, but as of now, the tools used to make it aren't yet.

 

AKA, you are dreaming man.

Edited by The Imp, 28 July 2015 - 08:44 AM.

[Lollorian]

I think the libraries used in gemrb building are free It's just that the build process is a wee bit tedious.

Once gemrb development is in a stablr state, maybe lynx would provide binaries that enable a quick install and play option - but until that, build and play buddy

@Bill: I understand the sentiment but I doubt it's a simple matter of downloading some files and copying them to run gemRB

[Leonardo Watson]

I would never say something is impossible. I heard this so many times. When horred the plague worked on Big Picture he was called mad. When I started working on BWP it was called a pipe dream. For years the number of kits was limited to 9. Nowadays with ToBEx installed you can install up to 1280 kits. With 1ppv3 now we have Female Dwarves. There are much more things that had been considered for impossible until a committed person with visions and coding skills pushed boundaries. So why not 9 party members in future?
However, it would rather imbalance the game. Where is the challenge, when your party outnumbers your enemies this way?

[Chevalier]

So why not 9 party members in future?
However, it would rather imbalance the game. Where is the challenge, when your party outnumbers your enemies this way?

Well, the experience is spread over 9 NPCs and not just 6 slower raise in levels.  I too very much want 9 party members for added story & quest development and would think other modders would just make harder tactics mods.  And BWP/BWS is not an imbalanced game?  I just found +4 plate on a body in the Nashkel mines!

 

And just because horred the plague succeed does not prove he is not mad!     Now you dreamed the impossible dream and made it come true!

[Nightfarer]

I think the libraries used in gemrb building are free It's just that the build process is a wee bit tedious.

Once gemrb development is in a stablr state, maybe lynx would provide binaries that enable a quick install and play option - but until that, build and play buddy
 

 

The libraries as well as Python are open source (most of them use the GNU GPL except OpenAL - I may be wrong - which uses the Creative Common License); you simply download the source tarball and compile them yourself as you would do on any Unix system (including MacOS as it is a UNIX BSD system except for the Darwin layer using Apple Public Source License).

 

Same about the IDE... there are several freeware/GPL IDEs or the make command.

 

Better compile them yourself and optimize them for your system rather than using pre-compiled binaries.

[Fouinto]

I would never say something is impossible. I heard this so many times. When horred the plague worked on Big Picture he was called mad. [...]

 

This remind me a "folktale" (translation by me... sorry) :

"There was something impossible to do... Everybody known it was impossible to do, so, nobody tried.
One day, a stupid man came. He was SO stupid that he didn't know that it was impossible to do it.

So he tried... and did it."

[micbaldur]

But what you're asking for is to include a GemRB-only mod in the BWP which doesn't support GemRB as of now

I think the BWS can do GemRB stuff (Imight be horribly wrong) so might wanna ask them to include it?

What????    Are you saying that this might be possible to do in BWP (though i'm not trying to push you to try to do this ).

 

I'll be very happy    if you (still not trying to push you to try this ) managed to do this, i'll probably do new BWP install and re-start my game because i'm going to have serious NPC problem at BG2 (BG1 i can manage with 5 NPC slots). Probably it also would be nice way reduce gained exp.

[The Imp]

K, be stupid and try to make the BWP game work in a GemRB.
Most of the ToBEx stuffings and other BGMain.exe changing stuff is made to work in the GemRB too, like with the Widescreen mod, you can select the GemRB install in it and go along with it to a ride of your terror time.
You would have to take a lots of things into account... but it's your time.
So yeah, it would need a special build install package eventually in BWS, but there's 5 of those and one or more yet to come when the EET and the BG:SotD are released.

So why not 9 party members in future?
However, it would rather imbalance the game. Where is the challenge, when your party outnumbers your enemies this way?

Imbalanced game play, that's like everything in BG2 game itself(hello magic), let alone mods. Yet again... "It's not really a good argument." It's fine if you define it with the "in my honest opinion", but that's where it will stay. In opinions.
I would rather see an expanded a 50th level xplevel.2da file rather than reduced amount of gained XP. Just multiply everything with 2 and it could be balanced to a few people, as you would also gain less XP due to the amount of characters. But what do I know of balance... there's nothing in my mods about it... more like impalance. You know the B/P switch .... fun.

What????    Are you saying that this might be possible to do in BWP

Eventually yes... but we could need to wait for a quite bit for a GemRB v1.0(or an equalent) to really talk about it.

[Bill Bisco]

Leonardo: BWP adds a ton of NPCs. More companions makes it easier to enjoy the game's content. 10 will be harder to manage sure, or I just may have more archers with me Balance is a relative thing. Mods can always add more monsters and traps. I look forward to more characters to assist in the Ascension fight. Eventually I hope for support for even more characters. We should be content with 10 and test that thoroughly for now.

[dreamer2007]

Leonardo: BWP adds a ton of NPCs. More companions makes it easier to enjoy the game's content. 10 will be harder to manage sure, or I just may have more archers with me Balance is a relative thing. Mods can always add more monsters and traps. I look forward to more characters to assist in the Ascension fight. Eventually I hope for support for even more characters. We should be content with 10 and test that thoroughly for now.

I agree. But I remember that there were some mods already that could increase the difficulty to really high levels? I remember one had in the extra difficulty description saying something about pulling your hair out or something. That sounds balanced for 10 companions

[dabus]

Uh, you read the Todo list?
I don't want to bash the project and it's made progress (checked it some years ago and you were stuck every now and then) but minor bugs like not handling female pcs sound like "wait a year" until you could consider using gem instead of the "real" engine.

[dragonian]

It would be very nice thing to have but from what i read this engine is not ready for megamod install and won`t be for very long time

[Bill Bisco]

Lynx, can you elaborate on what you meean by OCD players? Are Dabus's comments still valid? What prevents a standard Windows BGT Gemrb build being uploaded to the Gemrb website? Perhaps having some install scripts to modify options for widescreen or something? I would really like to use your mod and you can tell by the response here and at G3, that many others would too. I admit to have my eyes glaze at the thought of making a build for Gemrb. If we could have a standard package to use that could be automatically installed, we would make it easy enough for the masses to test Gemrb with 10pp. Can you help facilitate that lynx?

[dabus]

Its not a mod. You throw baldur.exe / bgmain.exe and so on away and replace it with new files. So mods that injects / modifies bgmain.exe at certain points, won't match. At least that's what I think.

[Lollorian]

I think most of the confusion here can be averted by:
1) Trying out a BGT install with 2-3 megamods and infinityanimations on a GemRB base and posting detailed steps on how to get it running
2) Trying out the 10PP mod on a non-GemRB install and check out what it does

[dragonian]

Ok you have me lost here Lynx...
Do we need GemRB to run 10pp or not?
Cause you are saying that your suspicion is that it would crash on original(so on not GemRB game right?) and then you say that there is nothing GemRB specific there.