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#141 kreso

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Posted 24 January 2016 - 06:32 AM

1) Psionics Unleashed under BG2 Tweaks
Psionics Unleashed is a mod that aims to add a fully functional psionic system and psionic character classes based on 3.5 ed. Dungeons & Dragons. Because of the nature of the Infinity Engine and because Baldur's Gate games are based on the 2nd ed. of AD&D, this reproduction couldn't be 100% faithful and some compromises had to be made along the way.
Mod components were included in Stable pre-selection but the mod itself is marked Expert.  Components have been marked Expert pending conflict analysis due to Roxanne's report about the mod making significant changes to spell level progression.
Needs conflict analysis.  Has anyone played with this mod recently?
 


2) Semi-Multi Clerics under BG2 Tweaks
This mod will add various clerical spells to wizard magic users via a new item, effectively turning them into previously unavailable X/Cleric kits/multiclass combinations. The semi-multi learns and uses spells as per a normal Arcane caster, and also has access to 35 clerical spells. It is not recommend to use "Semi Multi Clerics" with "Spell Revisions" as conceptually they are on opposite extremes. "Spell Revisions" is trying to "rebalance" spells, while that mod purposely makes them unbalancing again.
Needs conflict analysis.  Has anyone played with this mod recently?
 

3) Spell-50 under BG2 Tweaks
The Spell-50 mod extends a number of priest, druid and mage spell effects to spell level 50. For example, the fireball spell will continue to scale in damage up to spell level 50. This mod has to do nothing with the level-50 ruleset of BP. Both can be installed at the same time. It is not recommend to use Spell-50 with "Spell Revisions" as conceptually they are on opposite extremes. "Spell Revisions" is trying to "rebalance" spells, while this mod purposely makes them extremely overpowered.  Added:  This mod replaces spells rather than patching, so it will overwrite any earlier spell changes from other mods.
(NOTE: BWS does not allow Spell-50 and Spell Revisions to be installed at the same time.)
Unconfirmed reports of stuttering when using Web spell, which might be caused by different mod (Lost Crossroads Spell Pack).

4) Jarl's BGT Adventure Pack

This mod expands various content for the BG1-part (BG2-part, planned) of BGT. The mod follows on unfinished, incomplete positions of the original and enhances them.  Added:  The mod puts some of its creatures in the same place of existing creatures which often makes them inaccessible and the plot gets stuck. The mod also replaces some creatures by hiding them and putting new creatures in their place, causing loss of content from other mods that modify the original files.

Keeping as Expert until someone reports the problems in the description are solved.  Updated description.

 

1) Keep expert - modifies Dispel/Remove magic by setting it's power level to 3, making it ineffective vs Minor Globe & similar. 

2) Works fine with SR, provided SR is installed before. It doesn't make spells "imbalanced" - it makes arcane casters able to cast druid/priest spells.

Spells are the same. 

3) overwriter. Probably should be dissallowed permanently, or modified so it uses patching. 

4) Jarl's is fine (and a pretty good mod, too). The fact that few creatures (iirc skeleton warriors) are stuck and can't move isn't anything worse than some other stuff in megamods, so...  :)



#142 Greenhorn

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 02:35 AM

AvengerKit - Elven Supremacy component should be Expert

- Overwrites Suldanessalar and related stuff (found it while looking at Kiara :P)

 

1.2.2.
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EXTRA ITEMS
 
4 elven swords, 3 two-handed swords, 1 helmet, 2 plate mails, 1 wizzards robe and 2 rings.
 
 
 
 
1.2.3.
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ELVEN SUPREMACY (Requires Extra Items)
 
Small modification to a few NPCs - elven warriors in Suendesalar and end of Underdark.
Their stats and equipment have been improved. It was pitifull to watch them fighitng against drow (with +3 to +5 stuff) with regular weapons and armor.
The merchant in Sundelessanar will sell all of the items.

So, the question here is can I get Extra items, while not installing Elven supremacy which is expert and overwrites files but contains merchant who sells said items. Is this guy in Suldanesselar even without problematic component? Is he the only means to get said items without cluaconsoling (cheating)? 



#143 subtledoctor

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 04:22 AM

Just saying, not every mod that overwrites files is the end of the world. Sometimes patching is the wrong way to do things.

(2 mods that overwrite elf warriors in Suldanesselar, you get whichever one was installed last. 2 mods that *patch* elf warriors in Suldanesselar, you can end up with game resources that are not consistent with *either* mod.)

#144 Greenhorn

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 04:53 AM

Sound reasoning, and I agree with it, IF elf warriors are all this component changes. There are bunch of mods that changes Lothlorien ( Suldanesselar  :D ) Kiara Zaiya, Big Picture, and so on. I would appreciate little more info, if available, well,  if not, since my BWS gonna be expert install without most expert and tactical mods I will probably take chances with this one...



#145 The Imp

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:17 AM

Just saying, not every mod that overwrites files is the end of the world. Sometimes patching is the wrong way to do things.

(2 mods that overwrite elf warriors in Suldanesselar, you get whichever one was installed last. 2 mods that *patch* elf warriors in Suldanesselar, you can end up with game resources that are not consistent with *either* mod.)

Yeah, but the fact remains, if you install a mod called make all the dragons harder, and a component named kill all dragons... well you might get a mix of dragons, depending on how the patching is done exactly. And unless the patching is not done correctly, there's no reason not to patch the resource, rather than overwriting it.


Edited by The Imp, 25 January 2016 - 05:18 AM.

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#146 agb1

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 05:45 AM

We have conflict rules in BWS to warn about results of installing combinations of mods.

I think we should be wary of mods overwriting files and expect modern mods to patch instead. A mod that overwrites is inconsiderate of any other modder's intent for those resources.

Creatures have enough attributes for multiple mods' changes potentially to coexist -- inventory, equipped items, scripts and stats each could be tweaked by a different mod, depending on the purpose of the mods of course.

Another consideration is that mods that overwrite files don't always incorporate known fixes, e.g., start with a Fixpack'd version of the file.

BiG World Fixpack (community collection of mod fixes and compatibility patches, with user-friendly cross-platform script)

 

BiG World Setup (tool to automate best-practice installation of Infinity Engine mods on Windows, with conflict analysis)

Latest version:    https://bitbucket.or.../get/master.zip


#147 Greenhorn

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 12:00 PM

Why is Vendedor DLAN (EN) marked as expert? Information is scarce for this one, can't find anything...



#148 agb1

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 12:18 PM

Waiting for a Textpack update; currently the install fails.


BiG World Fixpack (community collection of mod fixes and compatibility patches, with user-friendly cross-platform script)

 

BiG World Setup (tool to automate best-practice installation of Infinity Engine mods on Windows, with conflict analysis)

Latest version:    https://bitbucket.or.../get/master.zip


#149 Greenhorn

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 12:29 PM

Let's hope it will come quickly. Thanks for your help agb1.



#150 Greenhorn

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 12:38 PM

AvengerKit - Elven Supremacy component should be Expert

- Overwrites Suldanessalar and related stuff (found it while looking at Kiara :P)

Just thinking, if this component overwrites elven warriors and requires new items, the same is probably true for 3th component of this mod, Black dragon help, as this component, among other things improves paladins who come to your aid in Bodhi's lair and also requires new items...



#151 Greenhorn

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:02 AM

Component 007- Lydia's scroll of Victor's improvements should really be expert because it not only overwrites original vanilla creature but also makes another mod incompatible in doing so: http://www.shsforums...rovements-pack/

 

Edit: my mistake, I apologize, seems that Berelinde corrected this in latter versions...


Edited by Greenhorn, 19 February 2016 - 07:08 AM.


#152 Lollorian

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:28 AM

AvengerKit - Elven Supremacy component should be Expert

- Overwrites Suldanessalar and related stuff (found it while looking at Kiara :P)

Just thinking, if this component overwrites elven warriors and requires new items, the same is probably true for 3th component of this mod, Black dragon help, as this component, among other things improves paladins who come to your aid in Bodhi's lair and also requires new items...

Yup :cheers:


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#153 Greenhorn

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 07:37 AM

AvengerKit - Elven Supremacy component should be Expert

- Overwrites Suldanessalar and related stuff (found it while looking at Kiara :P)

Just thinking, if this component overwrites elven warriors and requires new items, the same is probably true for 3th component of this mod, Black dragon help, as this component, among other things improves paladins who come to your aid in Bodhi's lair and also requires new items...

Yup :cheers:

Heh, I will still install it, cheesy paladins on MY side, how could I skip it...  ;)  :cheers: