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[The Imp]

Hello, thanks for the new release.
With refinements, do you get Use any item if you also install Rogue rebalancing ?

In which install order do you think you are going to use ?

[subtledoctor]

Hello, thanks for the new release.
With refinements, do you get Use any item if you also install Rogue rebalancing ?

Vanilla game gives you UAI
Rogue Rebalancing doesnt touch it (AFAIK)
Refinements takes it away and replaces it with Use Magical Device (UAI for scrolls and wands only)

If you want UAI, use RR thief HLAs only. If you want UMD instead, use RR thief HLAs followed by Refinements thief HLAs.

[The Imp]

Or you could just cheese the thing and edit the kits .2da file after Refinements install, and give it the UAI anyways. It's not like the thing is not there.

... and replaces it with Use Magical Device (UAI for scrolls and wands only

It's not actually that.

Edited by The Imp, 01 May 2020 - 04:48 PM.

[Arthas]

Thanks Subtledoctor.

 

[subtledoctor]

It's not actually that.

As usual Imp, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[The Imp]

It's not actually that.

As usual Imp, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, let me reintroduce you to your own mod, at least in the non-EE Refinements parts, the tweak the mod does is the removal of the spcl915 from the table, and replaces it with the UMD, what that does is, it assigns new kits to EVERY already exising kit user, this is done so that the kit now can use the expanded kit flags that are reassigned to have access to the previously unusable items. This includes the "Thief" -kit, which is normally the number 0. Making it no longer a non-kitted character, and you know what happens when you export one of those ? -from a moded game. You break them.

Add in an item after your mods install, and the item won't be usable by thieves, any of them even when they get the supposed usability ability. Add in a new thief kit mod and the same cheese is just more cheese. And you potentially run into the 255 kit limit in the non-EE games, as you tripple the thief kit amount, make it extreamly hard to install a few specific mods that use the kit flags and other things.

Also do you even understand why the ALWAYS block has the kit.ids edit... it's there just for this.

 

So from the removal of the opcode 302 from useage, to crippling tripple kit and disabiling items tweak. Nice going.

Edited by The Imp, 03 May 2020 - 01:30 AM.

[subtledoctor]

It has come to my attention that Refinements has been hosing STATDESC.2da on the EE games.  I've updated the 4.0 branch to version 4.27 to fix that.

[Magus]

Hi.

Release 4.28 still shows "beta 4.27" version.

Sword Angel fails to install without the first component, not sure if it's supposed to work without it, if not, should probably require it:

Installing [Sword Angel - New Fighter Kit] [beta 4.27]
Copying and patching 1 file ...
Appending to files ...
Appending to files ...
Appending to files ...
Copying 1 file ...
Copying and patching 2495 files ...
Copying and patching 1 file ...
Copying 1 file ...
Copying and patching 1 file ...
Copying 1 file ...
Copying 1 file ...
Copying and patching 1 file ...
Copying 1 file ...
ERROR: error loading [refinements/Hlab/_shared/copy/STATES2.BAM]
Stopping installation because of error.
Stopping installation because of error.
Stopping installation because of error.

ERROR Installing the `Sword Angel - New Fighter Kit' component, rolling back to previous state
Will uninstall   6 files for [refinements/setup-refinements.tp2] component 50.
Uninstalled      6 files for [refinements/setup-refinements.tp2] component 50.
ERROR: Unix.Unix_error(Unix.ENOENT, "stat", "refinements/hlab/_shared/copy/states2.bam")
Please post the file refinements.debug at http://forums.spellh...p?showforum=116
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[darkkhaine]

Hello and thanks for the updated refinements mod!

 

I think i found a bug for the monk HLAs, where I can only select some abilities once (for example Monk regeneration). I sometimes can't select the HLA Second Wind (though when I tried to reproduce this bug, I could select it). Here is the screenshot.

 

 

Thanks for your support.

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Edited by darkkhaine, 15 November 2021 - 04:55 AM.

[Greenhorn]

Great to see that this mod is updated for EE. However, compatibility wise, is this mod still incompatible with Multiclassed Multikit mod or any other mod in fact which adds kits to multi or dual classed characters?

[Graion Dilach]

Multiclassed Multikit doesn't even create the HLA tables right (it doesn't copy the result to override and throws a fullpath to luabbr.2da). Refinements does try to perform the HLA changes on mod-added kits as well by default though (including multikits) unless you disable that behaviour in d5_refinements_settings.ini.

 

If you really want to use Multiclassed Multikits, then that should come after everything else and you should always rebuild your multikits on the install (this is safe because MMBM always takes the current state of the class files although you still need to fix the HLAs manually).

Edited by Graion Dilach, 17 April 2022 - 05:25 AM.

[Greenhorn]

Multiclassed Multikit doesn't even create the HLA tables right (it doesn't copy the result to override and throws a fullpath to luabbr.2da). Refinements does try to perform the HLA changes on mod-added kits as well by default though (including multikits) unless you disable that behaviour in d5_refinements_settings.ini.

 

If you really want to use Multiclassed Multikits, then that should come after everything else and you should always rebuild your multikits on the install (this is safe because MMBM always takes the current state of the class files although you still need to fix the HLAs manually).

Thanks Graion, I didn't know that MM is in such bad shape, but it is not the only mod which gives kits to multiclasses and it is comforting to know that Refinements will no longer crash at HLA  screen with kits added to multiclasses. 

[subtledoctor]

Updated to version 4.31 with updated handling of the SPECIFIC.IDS table for the Use Magical Device thief HLA.

[subtledoctor]

Whoops, and version 4.32 also has updated French and Russian translations!