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[temnix]

How does that object work? Who is in the group that the creature is "of"? And how is strength measured here - by level?

[The Imp]

Yep. It's the .cre file offset 0x0018 ... number.

Edited by The Imp, 18 November 2016 - 11:44 AM.

[temnix]

What is it that moves people to talk about these offsets? Is that... more convenient than saying "level" or "Strength"?

 

Maybe just sounds more scientifific.

 

Well, I assume you said "yes" to level with that reference. But what about the group? The strongest among who? Of all creatures on the map? Or does it take further parameters in brackets? [ANYONE], that sort of thing?

[The Imp]

What is it that moves people to talk about these offsets

The offset... it's a way to say how many-eth hexadecimal the given information is in the file, so to speak. As in, the .cre file is just a series of numbers, and as such they have to have a set structure that they are constructed from, ~base structure principle, this empowers each of the numbers give a way of making the file do what it's programmer want it to be, just like each of the script IF-THEN-END structures does for the scripts. I gave the link to the .cre's structure to you in the other post, this... in case you didn't click it.

Edited by The Imp, 18 November 2016 - 04:33 PM.

[Mike1072]

What is it that moves people to talk about these offsets? Is that... more convenient than saying "level" or "Strength"?
 
Maybe just sounds more scientifific.

 
The labels given to these fields are assigned based on observed behaviour. The same field may be labelled differently depending on which source or tool you refer to.

By specifying the offset of a field in a file, or the opcode for an effect, it's easier for others to figure out what you mean without having to make assumptions.

[Fiann of the Silver Hand]

And that offset has two completely different uses depending on whether it's a Party NPC or not, so using "0x0018" really is the best shorthand to refer to it. (Technically, "0x18" is better.)

[temnix]

Well, it's not good for the way I think, so I'll stick with "level," thank you very much. But thanks for the explanations. What about my other question? Who is it the StrongestOf among? Or how about another object - LeaderOf? What does that mean?

[Fiann of the Silver Hand]

IESDP is your friend:
 

 

3 GroupOf
This object is not implemented.

4 WeakestOf
Returns the weakest player character (in the party).

5 StrongestOf
Returns the strongest player character (in the party).

6 MostDamagedOf
Returns the most damaged player character (in the party).

7 LeastDamagedOf
Returns the least damaged player character (in the party).

[temnix]

Where is that explanation in the guide? Anyway, thanks. I hoped the objects would do something more useful.

[The Imp]

Where is that explanation in the guide? Anyway, thanks. I hoped the objects would do something more useful.

If you can't open the page itself... then I can't help you, cause it's in the page itself. Wow. Imagine that.

Hmm, what this is:

I take back my words. Now you don't even need to open the page. Now you just need to look like an asshole ..

 

(Technically, "0x18" is better.)

Erhm, usually one writes 10 as 10, but you might as well write it as 0xa, a h, 010, 1 0 or even 1*10^1 if you wanted to, it doesn't change it's intention, of being the ten. You only limit the maximum number one can assume to set into the figure if you remove the zeroes ... and as you should know, the .itm, .spl, .cre and other files also have other structures than the header, that have small offsets that go after the main headers, and so limiting it to the first two hexadecimal figures can be seen as a flaw ... as the structures can easily grow the file size beyond the first two hexadecimal figures, just look at the vanilla BG2EE ammonk08.cre, it has one item... and it's location is said at offset 0x23f8 of the file.

[temnix]

Imp, a hypothetical poll of the common opinion in this case convinces me that you are being the asshole here. In addition to being an idiot, which I have known for some time but kept to myself out of my natural tendency to forgive.

[Miloch]

Imp, a hypothetical poll of the common opinion in this case convinces me that you are being the asshole here. In addition to being an idiot, which I have known for some time but kept to myself out of my natural tendency to forgive.

Lol... I mean, c'mon... he's not that bad. He's just fulfilling his self-appointed role as imp (i.e. devil's advocate). Except that he may have failed in that role this time. Your question was legitimate. The answer *should be* "strongest of" literally means "the one who possesses the highest strength." But in IE, logic fails. I cannot validate that, nor put it down to "level" nor any other factor; thus, I tend to use other qualifiers. If someone can do otherwise, cheers, that would clarify some otherwise rather vague language.

[agb1]

Per GemRB, StrongestOf() is the party member with the highest HP.  Intended for AI scripts that want to target the healthiest party member, I guess.