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#21 Roxanne

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 02:55 PM

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Edited by Roxanne, 03 January 2018 - 02:57 PM.

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#22 Roxanne

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 01:39 AM

Apart from this, Corwin's reaction to Scar's death is still on my to-do list.
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I am still looking for an event in the chapter 7 where I can attach it to. I am a bit afraid I already put nearly too much Corwin into that part of the story (coming back to BG after Candlekeep until facing Sarevok at his elevation to duke).

EDIT - I integrated this aspect into the Kent encounter (The soldier you meet when you come to rescue Eltan, who plans to desert the Flaming Fist). Corwin stops him from deserting the Fist, sends him to the loyal forces she organises and also inquires him about Scar's corpse. In this context she learns that she has to give up Scar in order to rescue Eltan and stop Sarevok and discusses this with the protagonist.


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#23 jastey

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 02:11 AM

bg1re "Scar return" component gives the possibility to look for his remains and let him be revived. The PC can have a last good bye dialogue before he vanishes into some private life far away. He has no interest in regaining his former status. I could imagineCorwin would try to urge him to return.
The component is designed so it fits into the main story (that assumes he is dead and gone) without making any ripples. When writing it, I had a search whether there is any canon information about Scar. Whereas Duke Eltan is revived in canon lore, too, there is no record of Scar - but also none that he stayed dead.

The only ever later appearance of Scar I know of is that of his dead body found much later in the game in the Stormhorn Mountains (mod contents) and that will surely not collide with your story.
And for Corwin, a Scar that is revived and vanishes into private life when the town that is her everything is in need - such a person is a deserter of the worst kind, and more than dead. After all, she is one of the three person alive who know *Scar*'s real name. So there is also no conflict here,
 
Apart from this, Corwin's reaction to Scar's death is still on my to-do list.
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I am still looking for an event in the chapter 7 where I can attach it to. I am a bit afraid I already put nearly too much Corwin into that part of the story (coming back to BG after Candlekeep until facing Sarevok at his elevation to duke).

Finding his body somewhere else definitely collides with the bg1re component as the body can be found there, too, and brought to Eltan while he is hiding with the harbor master. It is not used then to revive him, though, but finding it then again later would be... gross? Which mod does introduce his body in the Stormhorn Mountains?


The situation in which the PC sees Scar again is right before Sarevok has to be pursued in the maze - he is weak then and no help in battle. The city is saved, though, except for the last stand. As much as the reaction you described fit the character of Corwin that showed when she requested of an appearently innocent PC to play the twisted version of a hero and pledge guilty so the city can come to rest - which was a real WTF moment for me, btw, because it shows that she is not really interested in finding the real murderer, but a righteous warrior very close to self-righteousness, and falling. What I wanted to say: As much as it fits this character, the situation is that the city is more or less saved, new people are in charge, and Scar feels old and spent. Another possible reaction to his decline of returning to his post where he gave his life for already could be gratefulness for his achievements and understanding that there is only so much one man can give and also, that there is a good time for everything (to end). But maybe Corwin is still too young and too driven to come to such an understanding?


Independent on how Corwin's reaction to the meeting would be, I would be happy if the two mods would work together. The Corwin mod sounds like an addition that fills a necessary gap especially concerning the forces working inside the Flaming Fist during the times of Sarevok's empowerment. As it sounds, the only thing necessary would be a comment from Corwin when the PC finds clues as to where Scar's body might be, that she doesn't have to neglect one to save the other, after all.



#24 jastey

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 02:14 AM

Apart from this, Corwin's reaction to Scar's death is still on my to-do list.
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I am still looking for an event in the chapter 7 where I can attach it to. I am a bit afraid I already put nearly too much Corwin into that part of the story (coming back to BG after Candlekeep until facing Sarevok at his elevation to duke).

EDIT - I integrated this aspect into the Kent encounter (The soldier you meet when you come to rescue Eltan, who plans to desert the Flaming Fist). Corwin stops him from deserting the Fist, sends him to the loyal forces she organises and also inquires him about Scar's corpse. In this context she learns that she has to give up Scar in order to rescue Eltan and stop Sarevok and discusses this with the protagonist.

This is perfect for compatibility, then, as it is before any of the bg1re events start to roll.



#25 Roxanne

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 02:41 AM


Apart from this, Corwin's reaction to Scar's death is still on my to-do list.
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I am still looking for an event in the chapter 7 where I can attach it to. I am a bit afraid I already put nearly too much Corwin into that part of the story (coming back to BG after Candlekeep until facing Sarevok at his elevation to duke).

EDIT - I integrated this aspect into the Kent encounter (The soldier you meet when you come to rescue Eltan, who plans to desert the Flaming Fist). Corwin stops him from deserting the Fist, sends him to the loyal forces she organises and also inquires him about Scar's corpse. In this context she learns that she has to give up Scar in order to rescue Eltan and stop Sarevok and discusses this with the protagonist.

This is perfect for compatibility, then, as it is before any of the bg1re events start to roll.

With the explanation given in the post before, it looks like it can become all one consistent story. Corwin (part of my mod is to paint her less blatant than the original) already *runs the business* of the loyal part of the Flaming Fist while Eltan and Scar are incapable. She also leaves the PC after Korlasz dungeon with the intend to clean up the Fist together with Eltan. When the crusade starts, she is in charge of the forces that march against Caelar and already quasi replacing Scar per SoD plot. So the Scar scene to be alive but retiring complements that storyline perfectly.

One of the ideas of my mod is that - of course, depending on the way the player lets the protagonist act - the relationship between her and PC can become such, that she can keep her trust in the hero even after Dragonspear.

 

 

she is not really interested in finding the real murderer,

I do not agree to that. You get Ivanne's eye witness statement (vanilla content, Blushing Mermaid) that the murderer was a doppelganger - ever since the Seven Suns event, Corwin already associates these creatures with Sarevok and his mage Winski Perorate. This repeats in Candlekeep, doppelgangers everywhere. So it is clear that Sarevok is responsible for Scar's death with one of his many doppelgangers just being the tool. Those doppelgangers are never treated in the game as individual personalities (how could they, they just immitate anyone), I do not think that you can find a specific one and hold him responsible for the deed?

 

PS - Scar's corpse in the Stormhorns appears in Sandrah RtF (together with Brage's body) and this is a long, long time after the BG1 events evn after ToB end, so there is really no compatibility issue here. Anything can have happened to the retired Scar meanwhile.


Edited by Roxanne, 04 January 2018 - 02:53 AM.

The Sandrah Saga

another piece of *buggy, cheesy, unbalanced junk*


#26 jastey

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 09:38 AM

So the Scar scene to be alive but retiring complements that storyline perfectly.

Indeed, this sounds perfect for compatibility!

 

PS - Scar's corpse in the Stormhorns appears in Sandrah RtF (together with Brage's body) and this is a long, long time after the BG1 events evn after ToB end

Ah, I see. That's indeed something else entirely.

 

Concerning my statement that she is not interested in finding the real murderer (in SoD). This is what she tells the PC in different variations (according to her level of believing in the PC's innocence):

Maybe you are innocent. Maybe the eyes of all those who saw you standing over Skie's corpse deceived them. It doesn't matter. The city is all that matters now. My father taught me that a hero—a real hero—is prepared to sacrifice <PRO_HIMHER>self for the greater good. They called you the hero of Baldur's Gate. Now you have the chance to earn the name.
(StrRef: 239443)

And also:

For the benefit of those who still believe in you. They called you the hero of Baldur's Gate. A true hero will sacrifice <PRO_HIMHER>self for the greater good. Give the city a chance to heal. Please.
(StrRef: 239448)

So, the Captain in charge of the city's official enforcements tells the PC to take on the guilt so the city can come to a rest - what other conclusion could I draw than that she is not interested in finding the real murderer, not interested in proving the PC's innocence, but wants to have the possibility to "close the case" the easiest way possible? On the expence of the PC's life!

(This was a real WTF moment for me when playing the game.)

 

She also says the following (I think if talking about how Imoen still believes in the PC's innocence):

She has the luxury of doubt. She wasn't there. She didn't see you standing over the body, a bloody dagger in hand...
(StrRef: 239447)

Problem is: Did Corwin? Because she was not in my group at that time. And the PC was lying on the ground at the end of the cutscene, when Duncan is already there. And there was no dagger.

 

It's over-dramatizing writing like this that throws me off a character, and a story. Do you have intention to tune this down a little or maybe even skip this nonsense line?

 

 

One of the ideas of my mod is that - of course, depending on the way the player lets the protagonist act - the relationship between her and PC can become such, that she can keep her trust in the hero even after Dragonspear.

I'm looking foreward to having this option in the game. This mod will be a must have for EET.



#27 Roxanne

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 02:52 PM

So the Scar scene to be alive but retiring complements that storyline perfectly.

Indeed, this sounds perfect for compatibility!

 

PS - Scar's corpse in the Stormhorns appears in Sandrah RtF (together with Brage's body) and this is a long, long time after the BG1 events evn after ToB end

Ah, I see. That's indeed something else entirely.

 

Concerning my statement that she is not interested in finding the real murderer (in SoD). This is what she tells the PC in different variations (according to her level of believing in the PC's innocence):

Maybe you are innocent. Maybe the eyes of all those who saw you standing over Skie's corpse deceived them. It doesn't matter. The city is all that matters now. My father taught me that a hero—a real hero—is prepared to sacrifice <PRO_HIMHER>self for the greater good. They called you the hero of Baldur's Gate. Now you have the chance to earn the name.
(StrRef: 239443)

And also:

For the benefit of those who still believe in you. They called you the hero of Baldur's Gate. A true hero will sacrifice <PRO_HIMHER>self for the greater good. Give the city a chance to heal. Please.
(StrRef: 239448)

So, the Captain in charge of the city's official enforcements tells the PC to take on the guilt so the city can come to a rest - what other conclusion could I draw than that she is not interested in finding the real murderer, not interested in proving the PC's innocence, but wants to have the possibility to "close the case" the easiest way possible? On the expence of the PC's life!

(This was a real WTF moment for me when playing the game.)

 

She also says the following (I think if talking about how Imoen still believes in the PC's innocence):

She has the luxury of doubt. She wasn't there. She didn't see you standing over the body, a bloody dagger in hand...
(StrRef: 239447)

Problem is: Did Corwin? Because she was not in my group at that time. And the PC was lying on the ground at the end of the cutscene, when Duncan is already there. And there was no dagger.

 

It's over-dramatizing writing like this that throws me off a character, and a story. Do you have intention to tune this down a little or maybe even skip this nonsense line?

 

 

One of the ideas of my mod is that - of course, depending on the way the player lets the protagonist act - the relationship between her and PC can become such, that she can keep her trust in the hero even after Dragonspear.

I'm looking foreward to having this option in the game. This mod will be a must have for EET.

 

Ah, I thought you meant Scar's murderer but you referred to the SoD culprit, The talk she has with the protagonist in prison.

 

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Edited by Roxanne, 04 January 2018 - 02:58 PM.

The Sandrah Saga

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#28 jastey

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:37 PM

Sounds good!

(I realized after your reply that writing "S." wasn't clear, I wanted to prevent spoilering without having to use spoiler tags.)





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