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#61 -icelus-

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Posted 06 February 2004 - 09:46 PM

Doesn't honest criticism and differing viewpoints usually lead to constructive ideas?

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 01:59 AM

Look Kish, Thorium Dragon put this forum up for people to give him ideas,

Part of any ideas thread is the process of debate. But in any case, that argument also fails, since it's not his forum. So let's see what someone who runs the place says.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 02:08 AM

To LordKableNikon:

Look, d00d, if you post your ideas deal with the criticism, different opinions, and replyes disagreeing with it. Get over it and deal with the fact that some people doesnt think like you.

Otherwise, you can very sell send a private email to the author, mmkayy? (Southpark).
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#64 Melkor

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 05:09 AM

Heres my input. I disagree with the whole idea. Weimer did a nice job with Valen and fail to see any reason to redo her.
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Posted 07 February 2004 - 09:00 AM

I reckon the idea is great. Love makes the world go round, an' all that.

I like that you will be changing certain things, because I see lots of people complain that she is overpowered.

Plus a Vampire romance would be something new to try out, and hey, it worked well in Buffy, twice infact.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 09:21 AM

Anyone who mentions buffy or takes that programme remotely seriously needs to be sectioned.

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Posted 07 February 2004 - 10:53 AM

Anyone who mentions buffy or takes that programme remotely seriously needs to be sectioned.

i agree here. :D
i disagree with Melkor. valen needs more dialog. i always felt like having a silent killer-machine by my side. like a mp character created by me.
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 04:52 AM

Anyone who mentions buffy or takes that programme remotely seriously needs to be sectioned.

Sectioned? B)
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 09:14 AM

I was wondering about that as well. Is it something like being drawn and quartered (sectioned)? ^_^
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 09:32 AM

It means be put in a mental institution.
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 11:23 AM

That's a little harsh. If the man who put Buffy, Faith, and Kendra in his mod were to be put in a mental ward, that would mean nothing would get added to any of his mods--ever again--making writing this add-on pointless.
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 01:08 PM

Heres my input. I disagree with the whole idea. Weimer did a nice job with Valen and fail to see any reason to redo her.

The same here.

disagree with Melkor. valen needs more dialog. i always felt like having a silent killer-machine by my side

Because she is a silent killer-machine by your side :lol: ...
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 02:20 PM

:P ;) back to your work. ;)
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Posted 08 February 2004 - 11:18 PM

back to your work

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Posted 09 February 2004 - 06:26 AM

sure thing. wednesday begins my holiday and i havent found work yet so i have enough time to spare. :D ;)
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Posted 10 February 2004 - 07:00 PM

<_< Folks, I for one would like to thank the people who thought up the idea to turn this into a romance mod. I for one am tired of the norm, little miss prom queen who does something naughty with the hero type mod. I want my sunday school teacher and 2thousand a nite hooker combo, for a lover :P . An if it takes giving a pint or so via my char. johnson so be it. Bring on the can slaps and nibblets. let the fun begin.... THANK YOU THIS WAS A MESSAGE FROM THE STONER BROAD CHASING SYSTEM..... :blink:

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Posted 16 February 2004 - 08:48 AM

I've been very busy for the past couple if weeks studing for and taking my qualification test for the Air Force. I have a little over a week of free time before I get to study for the *next* volume of the test. I'm looking forward to that like I would a root canal.

Now, to address some points...

... by the end SoA she offers to make you her knew master/mistress (A.K.A)
Making you a vampire. Or in ToB in the beginning she offers the same offer
because in my mind the only way she would see you nothing more than a divine cattle is a divine master/mistress.


I don't plan on making the PC a vampire, I think the PC has enough complexity without adding all the complications of vampirism on him/her both from a development and storyline perspective.

Hey Thorium Dragon:
Do you have any alpha testers of your mod or beta testers for I for one would be like... Need Valen Mod to complete my Bg2 experience....
So i'd be glad to update you on whatever I find or go through the mod. :rolleyes:
Though if you don't want me to test, I would be incredibly :angry:  .......
Yah well I thought with the coffin/urn thingy, what happens if valen has it on her and she goes... well poof?? :( 


I'm not at that point yet, but hopefully I won't need to beta test. I appreciate the offer though.

As for the urn, the PC will hold it.

Ideas
I would think that the vampire slayers would come in ToB in the oasis or the drow forest, it would probably make the best way, have it like 4.5 million exp they come in, and then make them a tad bit stronger.
Have more than one group of vampire slayers, like one come in at the very beginning, and they are like a newbie group trying to erradicate the undead.
you know, make valen and the pc a little more infamous, for I know Helsing Buffy Faith etc... there would be more than one group of slayers to attack the team.  It just doesn't make sense that there would be only one group of slayers ever to attack a "legendary vampire"


More and better slayers? A possibility.

When Having Valen in the party and the romance "continues" and you are romancing viconia, I'd think they wouldn't see eye to eye on who should have the pc.  Viconia being an evil cleric could cower/control the undead while valen would see her as just cattle trying to rise above its station.


The relationship between Valen, Viconia, and the PC is something I look forward to exploring.

(what I am trying to say is "Have Valen kill her in her sleep" PLEASE!!!!  :D 


No.

Players spend a lot of time customizing their NPCs with equipment and skills- I think many would feel ripped off by an NPC death in this fashion ( I know I would)


Also have something like a will counter, matters through the dialogue, "is that the farther she is away from her mistress, and what you say on the dialogue the more "free will" she'd have.  So if you have collected enough will counters for her a "romance" might occur in ToB


The mod will have a few different "counters" that the PC used to "push" Valen in different directions.

Does Valen have dialogue about the pc's stronghold?


Yes.

instead of fighting Gax if she opens and free's Gax, the party gets a boon for she is undead instead of fighting him, and may also give a few missions, siding with Gax might be fun.


I see Gax as pretty much beyond barganing/reasoning with.

Anyone who mentions buffy or takes that programme remotely seriously needs to be sectioned.


I resisted Buffy and Angel for years until a friend got me into them. I think they are both excellent shows with an amazing ability to develop characters. However, I don't use either show as inspiration for Valen.

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Posted 19 February 2004 - 12:12 PM

Thorium, whatever you do...

FINISH THIS MOD, PLEASE!

I do not care what anyone says - what you are planning is most excellent. I will admit that I have never envisioned a change in lil' miss vampire due to the fact I found Valen to be an already perfect mod... However, that being said, after reading what you have planned I feel it will just further enhance and bring to life the existing character we've all come to love.

You already have 7 people in this household waiting on pins and needles to play it (my 6 kiddos and of course myself...lol). I'm sure the mod would be played by a LOT more people than you might think.

If you do not mind I do have one recommendation/idea: One of the things you could do to enhance her 'blood lust side of the story'(when or if needed) is to have her sneak off in the middle of the night while everyone else is resting and go kill someone (not NPC's though)... with dire consequences for you and the group. Heck, let it be someone of 'great importance'! Maybe make it like one of the dream sequences where you see what she is doing (although your character doesn't really know what she did), then have that character find out the hard way what his pet vampire did while he was resting his eyes... Maybe it is punishment to the protagonist for something he said totally wrong during a previous dialogue (do NOT make it the obvious choice in the dialogue though - let it be very unexpected indeed)? After all, vampires NEVER forget and very, very rarely forgive...lol

Just an idea.

Anyway, huge congrats for breathing new life into the game.


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P.S. If one gets the fighter stronghold isn't that castle just begging for Valen's own personal coffin for the times you decide to sleep there? (Bought, of course, for a substantial amount of gold by Mr.Bhaal Spawn himself...hehehe)

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Posted 19 February 2004 - 01:54 PM

I appreciate your enthusiasm, Temujin!

Your ideas are certainly solid, and I like the idea of having a cutscene, showcasing some of Valen's bloody past (and in your example present).

I'll have to think more on that...

I have given some extra thought to Valen and how she might interact within certain strongholds (mostly spurned on by this board), and I do have some scripting on what I think is a perfect stronghold scenerio for her.

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 03:03 PM

I whole-heartedly recommend you to read Anne Rice`s novels if you want to know more about the romantic side of vampires and their feelings; well at least as she portrays them. And I must add that she has an attractive way of playing with ideas and melting them into words. Despite some people`s reluctancy, I am looking forward to this mod, your ideas are refreshing and seem interesting.

Besides, you have an extra-cool avatar. :P