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[Feanor]

Is possible for demons and devils to make up their way up to superior levels of demon/devilhood : I mean a fiend becoming a pit fiend or a cornugon becoming a Balor ?

[Shadow Angel]

That's how it usually works actually.

Demons(ce)  advance because they convince other demons that they are more powerful and (in the outer planes, belief determines reality) as more come to belive in their power, they become more powerful types.

Devils(le) have a specific and rigerous method of determining which ones are qualified to advance and what trials they must endure to advance and to what type.

[Arachnos]

Was it gelugons who had to be thrown into the pit in the lower layer of Baator for 9,999 days before they were turned into pit fiends???

This is 2ed of course, I dont know if it's still true in 3E

[Shadow Angel]

Gelugons must serve flawlessly for 777 years. Then pass a vote. Then it's the Pit of Flame for 1001 days.

3rd ed doesn't say anything to change it that I know of.

Edited by Shadow Angel, 28 July 2004 - 08:25 PM.

[Feanor]

In BG2, in Underdark, in the Svirneblin village, the village chief says they had awoken a beast of great power (a Balor, in fact) and asks Player to kill it (BTW, that was obviously inspired by LOTR ). But : if Balors reside in Abyss, how those dwarves would have been able to "awoke" a Balor by digging ?

[NiGHTMARE]

Possibly it was just the svirfneblin's interpretation of events, and the actually uncovered a portal to Abyss. The average svirfneblin isn't exactly knowledgeable of the workings of the planes after all

Or maybe a wizard trapped him there via the Imprisonment spell.

[Andyr]

The Underdark is apparantly riddled with Portals various of the Lower Planes, and the Plane of Shadows, when you descend deep enough.

[Feanor]

Beings with outsider blood in their veins, like tieflings and asimars, are also immortals ?

[Andyr]

No.

I think if they have a lot of Outsider blood they may enjoy a longer lifespan, but they'll still die of old age eventually. There might be a few small exceptions, though, as always.

[Stone Wolf]

They live a little under twice as long as humans, iirc.

[Deathsangel]

I suppose he had come to Fearun earlier and got buried in some earlier fight. Perhaps he was sealed there with magic and unable to just teleport out so he "hibernated" until there is a chance to escape.

Oh, has anyone got a picture of a gelugon?

Try a PST site with all the pics of your journal (found one once) there should then be a picture of Gelugon (I believe this to be misspelled, but I do not know at the moment the proper spelling) among them

[Stone Wolf]

Gelugon...kinda.

http://elfwood.lysat..._acryl.jpg.html

[oralpain]

Is possible for demons and devils to make up their way up to superior levels of demon/devilhood : I mean a fiend becoming a pit fiend or a cornugon becoming a Balor ?

A Balor is a Tanar'ri. Cornugons and Pit fiends are Baatezu. Totaly different races.

Anyway all true fiendish races (except hordlings) have a way to advance through the "ranks". For Baatezu it is quite orderly, rather rigid and well enforced. For Tanar'ri it's all about belief and personal power. For the Yugoloths it's somewhere in between. For the gehreleths it's sinply as needed.

A picture of a Gelugon:


Another picture of a Gelugon (background, Hamatula and Lemure in foreground, imp on the spear):

Edited by oralpain, 19 January 2005 - 08:02 PM.

[Archmage Silver]

Gelugons must serve flawlessly for 777 years. Then pass a vote. Then it's the Pit of Flame for 1001 days.

3rd ed doesn't say anything to change it that I know of.

Yea, no changes of that in 3E. Any info about how long outsider human hybrids i.e aasimars live approximately?

[Stone Wolf]

Not that long. I remember that Tieflings live 100-200 years, and I think Aasimar are something similar.

[Loké]

I know that tieflings have a lifespan similar to a half-elf's (ie around 180-190 years)

[Stone Wolf]

I just looked it up. Tieflings have a max age of 100+1D100, while Aasimar have a max age of 125+2D20. That's pretty close, with an average of 150.5 for Tielings and 146 for Aasimar. Tieflings just have more range.

[Consis]

As I recall, Baatezu supposedly out number every devil at least a hundred to one. I gathered that devils are more powerful while the fiends have sheer numbers on their side.
(please excuse the following rant)
It may well be that the balor in the BG2 "underdark" was a portal or even buried there via an imprisonment spell. But there is also another consideration; whoever is running the show at Wizards of the Coast headquarters is anything but consistent. We fans are loyal to the parts of story that we first encounter only to see minor details contradicted in consecutive games. The books, games, and role-playing canon often conflict.

I don't really have a problem with this because these are the only people I know of that have ever successfully blended Greek, Celtic, Norse, Oriental, Egytpian, and modern mythology to form this intrensically popular role-playing game we now call AD&D 3rd edition. I tip my hat to them for this accomplishment.

Personally, I've grown so attached to the Baldur's Gate tangent that I refuse to accept anything contradicting it.

Edited by Consis, 21 January 2005 - 06:13 PM.

[Stone Wolf]

Actually, it's the Tanar'ri who outnumber the Baatezu. Theoretically, there are an infinity number of Tanar'ri around.