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#21 T.G.Maestro

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 06:27 AM

you forgot that Shed wants to make Yikari to be better with Celestial Fury than with his fists

Hmm?! :blink: Better? Gods, a monk's fist is clearly one of the best weapons in the game at HIGH levels. And don't forget, you have to pay for the great damage - you won't have any special bonuses like elemental damage or stun attacks. CF on the other hand is one of the best weapons in the game WITHOUT any buffs - it stuns targets at failed save, deals electrical damage... now you'd impove this further by increasing the Criticals to x3(!!!) and adding more attacks/round..? :huh:
Frankly, you are right - this will be much better than any normal (legal!) monk using fists. Is this a good thing? You decide. <_<
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#22 Rathwellin the Bard

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 07:26 AM

I actually don't have a problem with CF adding +2 attacks, ** in Katana and * or ** in Single Weapon Style.

That would net Yikari 3 attacks and slightly improved criticals, THACO, & Damage. Oh, and +1 AC. :)

CF would still only stun & grant electrical damage 5% of the time. That's not too crazy IMO as you would still be better off having a Kensai or Fighter/Mage wielding it.

This would also be vs monk fists that have 4 attacks per round, do more damage, and that can get to be +4 vs CF's unmodded +3.

Once the crit % starts changing on the base weapon though I too get worried. It would be easy to go too far in making CF 'better' for Yik man.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 09:09 AM

Woah! Completely failed to notice all posts after Rathwellin's one on Aug 20th! Sorry!

I have taken out the x3 Critical hit bonus from Yikari (released woohoo :D !). all other bonuses I believe to be justified.

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Posted 01 September 2004 - 10:34 PM

*Bows down before Shed*
Many thanks, this seems much better now! ^_^ :)
I'm going to download him as soon as I find some time to play BG2 again.
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Posted 02 September 2004 - 07:00 AM

*Bows down before Shed*

Careful... pride is a terrible thing. ;)

#26 T.G.Maestro

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Posted 02 September 2004 - 08:21 AM

Careful... pride is a terrible thing

Heh, who'd know this better than myself... :rolleyes: ;)
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 01:25 AM

Actually, don't create a new, unusable weapon. Instead, edit the original CF and add a pair of UsedEFF Effects to it, since this way you can have the bonus attack effects happen only on the monk. Rogue Re-balancing (well, the mod by aVenger, I don't remeber which component) does a similar thing with the Backstabbing Sword.
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 02:59 AM

Actually, don't create a new, unusable weapon. Instead, edit the original CF and add a pair of UsedEFF Effects to it, since this way you can have the bonus attack effects happen only on the monk. Rogue Re-balancing (well, the mod by aVenger, I don't remeber which component) does a similar thing with the Backstabbing Sword.
If you don't have the aforementioned mod and want me to send you the needed files as an example, PM me your e-mail address.

Another concern is that once he has been given Celestial Fury, he wants to hang on to it. The bonuses are a question of balance.

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 10:04 AM

For the next version it would be nice to implement some drawbacks on his natural "fist-progression" as a monk. For example his fists shouldn't become more powerful than +2 (in other words, he shouldn't get the more powerful monk fist .itms as he levels up). I'm not sure how this is doable, but at least it would be nice to try.
Also, since he is focusing on katanas, it would be an interesting and logical decision to remove his Quivering Palm ability and add Kai instead.

All other monk bonuses and effects should remain unchanged IMHO.
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 01:14 PM

For the next version it would be nice to implement some drawbacks on his natural "fist-progression" as a monk. For example his fists shouldn't become more powerful than +2 (in other words, he shouldn't get the more powerful monk fist .itms as he levels up). I'm not sure how this is doable, but at least it would be nice to try.
Also, since he is focusing on katanas, it would be an interesting and logical decision to remove his Quivering Palm ability and add Kai instead.

All other monk bonuses and effects should remain unchanged IMHO.

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That's such an awesome idea :D! Thanks, TG. OK, I'll have to investigate kits...

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 03:09 PM

Instead of mucking around with kits, I'd just script in his restrictions/bonus changes. Since he's an NPC with a custom script, this wouldn't be much of a task.

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Posted 01 December 2004 - 02:53 AM

Instead of mucking around with kits, I'd just script in his restrictions/bonus changes. Since he's an NPC with a custom script, this wouldn't be much of a task.

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You mean that he is given an innate ability when he reaches a certain level? Ooh, clever :).

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Posted 01 December 2004 - 03:28 AM

For the next version it would be nice to implement some drawbacks on his natural "fist-progression" as a monk. For example his fists shouldn't become more powerful than +2 (in other words, he shouldn't get the more powerful monk fist .itms as he levels up). I'm not sure how this is doable, but at least it would be nice to try.
Also, since he is focusing on katanas, it would be an interesting and logical decision to remove his Quivering Palm ability and add Kai instead.

All other monk bonuses and effects should remain unchanged IMHO.

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Why not just toss in scripting that allows him to dual into another kit? I know it's possible. THen, just have him be a dualled Monk/Kensai?
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 05:55 AM

Well, I could actually change his kit to Kensai altogether, but this would probably not work and in any case require further re-balancing.

I don't really want him to be a kensai, just to have a hint of kensai. I think one kai ability is quite adequate, and the fist reduction makes sense too.

I have written a script which should replace Quivering Palm with Kai, but I haven't tested it yet. Will do so asap.

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 08:42 AM

Is there a .2da which determines monk fist progression?

I'm looking but can't find how it's done :unsure:.

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Posted 02 December 2004 - 08:45 AM

Is there a .2da which determines monk fist progression?

I'm looking but can't find how it's done :unsure:.