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[wellunhappy]

Has anybody actually killed the dude at the end of NEJ (Yxunomei I think he's called), without resorting to to CTRL killing the guy. I don?t think I?ve ever been able to waste him at core level, in fact I don't think I've ever managed it at easy, either. This is a tough encounter cos it takes place before chapter 2 and most party memebers are below 10th lvl.

Anybody know when NEJ Part 2 will be available?

[seanas]

NEJ1+2 is currently in beta-testing; i think i heard that it's expected by xmas.

Yxunomei is one of the toughest battles in the whole BP-BGT-NEJ game (only the vale of shadows is worse) - especially after all yr spells etc have been depleted by fighting the histachii, etc...

having said that, the best tactic i've found for killing him (her?) is having the melee characters (and any summons you've got left) (and after running away from the cloudkill - s/he'll follow you if you run) engage in a futile melee (and hopefully not die too quickly) and have any spellcasters chuck every offensive spell at him/her - it eventually works. on the other hand, if Yxunomei gets close to yr spellcasters, you'll need to be doing a lot of resurrecting....

in my most recent game, i fought Yxunomei on hard and took no damage: i had exnem's installed, so with all the excess poltergeist scrolls, i summoned some golems (who couldn't actually damage Yxunomei), and, using all the excess firaga (essentially a flamestrike) had my spellcasters (me and immy) cast firaga after firaga at Yxunomei until eventually s/he went down. although exnem's is super cheesy (but super ace ) i feel it's justified in NEJ, cos NEJ (when played as part of BP, and played straight outta the cells in CI) is simply far too tough.

Edited by seanas, 07 November 2004 - 05:25 AM.

[NiGHTMARE]

Considering Yxunomei has (naked) breasts, it's a fair bet to say she's a her .

[Andyr]

Mariliths are taken to be female, yes.

[wellunhappy]

Mariliths are taken to be female, yes.

Okay I apologise to Mariliths everywhere any other tactics that have worked in killing the b*tch? :gun:

[Vlad]

Well, you really surprise me here. My only guess is that BP changes the difficulty level somehow changing her AI. If it's not the issue then the fight is really bearable by your current 10-level party without cheating and additional powerful spells brought from other mods. I didn't lose any party member in this fight by the way but only two special summoned creatures (this is already a hint). You should find the weakness in her defence, but I'll not spoil the game, so you may try various offensive and deffensive tactics, think about protective spells and so on.

Edited by Vlad, 10 November 2004 - 04:19 AM.

[Chevalier]

In my last run though (which was not a BP game) I killed her after a hard fight without loseing any party members. Not that hard, but a good fight.

[wellunhappy]

Well, you really surprise me here. My only guess is that BP changes the difficulty level somehow changing her AI. If it's not the issue then the fight is really bearable by your current 10-level party without cheating and additional powerful spells brought from other mods. I didn't lose any party member in this fight by the way but only two special summoned creatures (this is already a hint).  You should find the weakness in her defence, but I'll not spoil the game, so you may try various offensive and deffensive tactics, think about protective spells and so on.

[EDIT] If you cannot bear this fight, how did you kill Sarevok then, also CTRL-Y?

Vlad?s comments are a little unfair I?ve only ever used CTRL-Y on snake features every other monster has been slayed the way nature intended. I always wander through the vale of shadows at core lvl and I?m never tempted to ctrl zap anything. :nana:

I?ve played BG1 many times and Sarevok has always gone down pretty quick, but this doesn?t work on snake thighs who has permanent stoneskin, a little cheesy if you ask me.

In my opinion this is a hard encounter cos of when it takes place technically before you left the dungeon, back in the days before BP-NEJ, the worst thing you?d encounter was a pack of kobolds.

Tactics I?ve used so far (and failed). Obviously adjusting the slider way back to easy, then I tried dispelling the protections, what a waste of time that was. So then I tried all out offensive spells, not a scratch on her, I assume cos she has MR and I used fire based spells. I seem to remember her having a sword that gives 50% fire resistance on top of her usual demonic resistances to everything.

Tried summoning assistance like a couple of elementals thanks to Jaheira, in there defence they were still standing when my main character went down they?d had no effect on her at all. Finally on my last install I spent all my cash on a demon summoning scroll can?t remember which one, but read scroll and legged it, I think the creature last 3 rounds and guess what, yep not a scratch on her. CTRL-Y

I really don?t know how to bring her down I?ve never had any major problems with any of the other BP-NEJ monsters and was amazed how easy the katana wielding wu-jen was to take out, everybody said that was a difficult encounter but this bitch is one tough mother.

[Vlad]

There are at least two possible strategies to bring her down. As Chev said the fight is *hard but good*. Would you like I post my strategy to win this battle without a single lost from your party?

[Dennis]

I'd be curious about your strategy.

I took her down, but lost two party members, had two others nearly dead, and used up almost all my magicks taking her down. I'm sure I'm missing something fairly basic and important, since all taking her down at all seemed like a major triumph from my viewpoint.

Dennis

[Sir BillyBob]

Minsc had the +4 two-handed sword you should have picked up, and I think the rest of my team always picks her off with summoned creatures and lots of spells. Don't fight in the room, run back aways and use the hallway to limit her movement. Remember that you can rest and heal before you go in there and fight her. She isn't going any where so just clear out the rest of the level first, go rest upstairs, and then buff up for her fight.

If you really want item help, go install Exnem Items, they are so overpowered she doesn't have a chance. Even if you just use the new spells dropped from creatures (though it may be too late for that now in your game), she isn't that hard. I suspect that Vlad has a better solution though since he designed all of this for NeJ.

[Vlad]

Well, she can be held. Jaheira summons 3 dryads who stand far away from each other, and two fire elementals which comprise the front line. Then Imoen runs fast into her room, opposes her, waits for she casts *Cloud Kill*, and runs fast back into another room/hall where rest of the party including summoned creatures standing. Whilst Imoen continues running in circles, two fire elementals, Hrothgar, Minsc and Dar attack the demon, the dryads cast *Hold Monster*, and your mage casts *Magic Missiles*. There is a big chance that the demon will fail to save against one of the dryads' *Hold Monster* spells. Then you'll have enough time to breach her stone skins just hitting her with your whole group. If she does successfully throw against all three *Hold Monster* spells, then she will continue to chase Imoen, and then you'll have bad time for your Immy and for you group to survive the battle. Then fire elementals together with dryads will be very helpful just to attract her attention and to save you time to escape for the moment. You may leave Dragon Eye and return later there after some rest, and again summon dryads and fire elementals to assist you.

In a new version there is a group of moon knights who may help you.

Edited by Vlad, 10 November 2004 - 02:50 PM.

[wellunhappy]

In a new version there is a group of moon knights who may help you.

Where do they hang out????????????

If it's the group I'm thinking off you rescue them and they just stand around and do nothing.

[Chevalier]

You need NeJ2 for them to do anything

[AnnabelleRose]

NEJ2 is alot of fun. You should all download it and play it.

Here

[russ]

I've just read this topic and while I've never had a problem taking Yxunomei down (amazing how versatile a magic missile spell is) this battle shows up one of problems with the battle scripts in BP-BGT and other mods. This battle takes at least ten rounds and during that time there are at least 8 prot from mag weapon spells, 8 stoneskins, and other mutiple contingencies cast by Yxunomei regardless of whether her spell casting has been disrupted or not. She and other monsters can not do this within the rules of the game yet her battle scripts have been written to allow her to do it. I hope the next time a mod writer writes a battle script they also include in their script a limit to how many times these spells can be cast, how quickly they can be cast, and limit the monster to at most one spell or contingency per round (and if they cast a spell they can't do so instantaneously and use melee weapons in the same round).

Edited by russ, 12 March 2005 - 07:04 AM.

[Sir BillyBob]

I would assume that the protection spells she casts are the equivalent to a contingency spell if it was you. I have looked through several of Horred's scripts and each spell cast is handled in a its own round. I had to rewrite some of this for Tutu so I could duplicate some of this intelligence.

Not sure what script this demon uses but most of the scripts check to see if these protections are on before it casts them again. And even if it did cast them, that would be all the demon would do for that round.

By the way, I have never considered her to be that difficult an enemy whether she cheats or not. However, don't let a spell caster get near her, as she can kill in one good hit!

I find that the hardest part of this battle is the damn assistants that arrive to fight you. With one weak party I had, the only option was to run into a side room and kill each creature as it tried to follow into the room. Cloudkill outside the room with a web spell did wonders to weaken everyone before they entered the room.