11 replies to this topic

[Dyara]

I tried to write a dialogue with weights. The dialogue is assigned to a creature that says 'Test1' or 'Test2'. But if the global Test2 is set to 1 it should say 'Test3'. I thought that using a weight for state T3 I don´t have to change the state triggers T1 and T2:

BEGIN ~Test~

IF ~Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN T1
   SAY ~Test1~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF ~!Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN T2
   SAY ~Test2~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF WEIGHT #0 ~Global("TEST2","GLOBAL",1)~ THEN BEGIN T3
   SAY ~Test3~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

Unfortunately it seems not to work regardless of the weight (I´ve tried -999, -1, 0, 1 and many more).

Looking at the dlg file with InfExplorer, decompiling it with WeiDU again (or playing the dialogue with BG2) there are no weights:

BEGIN ~TEST~

IF ~Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN 0 // from:
  SAY #78411 /* ~Test1~ */
  IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF ~!Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN 1 // from:
  SAY #78412 /* ~Test2~ */
  IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF ~Global("TEST2","GLOBAL",1)~ THEN BEGIN 2 // from:
  SAY #78413 /* ~Test3~ */
  IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

Of course I could write the dialogue without weights but using weights would make it much more simple.

Is it a bug in WeiDU,have I misunderstood the usage of weights or is there something wrong in my d file?

[Dyara]

I found out that it works if I use weights in every state

BEGIN ~Test~

IF WEIGHT #2 ~Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN T1
   SAY ~Test1~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF WEIGHT #3 ~!Global("TEST1","GLOBAL",0)~ THEN BEGIN T2
   SAY ~Test2~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

IF WEIGHT #1 ~Global("TEST2","GLOBAL",1)~ THEN BEGIN T3
   SAY ~Test3~
   IF ~~ THEN EXIT
END

but... hmmm, at least it´s not as it´s written in the readme.

[Dyara]

I´ve used WeiDU 105.

[Dyara]

I used 105 because it´s our current version in RTW, but I will try it with 107 .

[japheth]

I just tested that piece of code with v107 and it still isn't working.

[weimer]

The README is right (conceptually), so I have changed our handling of WEIGHTs (yet again). It passes Dyara's test and also compiles JAHEIRA.D correctly. Look for it shortly.

[Dyara]

Great , it will make a lot of things much simpler.

[Quitch]

Not that I can remember exactly what this is for, but wouldn't it have been easier to simply add the reverse of the TEST2 check to the first two states, or is this now considered sloppy WeiDUing?

[Dyara]

Not that I can remember exactly what this is for, but wouldn't it have been easier to simply add the reverse of the TEST2 check to the first two states, or is this now considered sloppy WeiDUing?

Of course you can do that but I don´t think it´s simpler. My example is simple but think of it as a more complex dialogue with more states t1 and t2 and with more states t3. For each 't3' you have to add the reverse check to all the states t1/t2 and the whole dialogue becomes very difficult to read.

I would uses weights (and a LOCALS which is only true under that specific condition) to restart a dialogue after a cutscene for example (dialogue starts cutscene and cutscene restarts dialogue). Without weights you have to add that locals to each and every root state. Perhaps later you will change that local for some reason (or drop the cutscene) and again you have to edit each trigger.

I believe it's more for APPENDing to existing dialogues, in which you don't want to add a !MyTrigger() trigger to every single state that's above your addition.

Or adding to an existing dialogue (of your own mod) without changing the allready existing (and perhaps tested) part of the dialogue.