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[Rubberduck]

Don't call me a playboy or something but i really can't get enough of all those beautiful women B)

After i found out about the really useful addition of a new NPC called "Amber" (i needed a new thief) i also had to find out that there still is one more NPC worth trying out -> "Fade".

Now i have 4 women to choose

Jaheira (always worth a try), Vicci (no one touches my Vicci!), Amber and Fade.

One might say "try out everyone in a separate game", but i simply don't have the time. Is there a chance to keep every romance alive and not messing up the whole game?

[Meira]

Amber's romance will stop if any of the three other romances you mentioned advance far enough. She also has romance conflicts with Jaheira and Viconia and those two will stop if Amber's romance advances far enough. Because (at the moment) there is no crossmod material for Amber and Fade, Amber's romance won't stop Fade's.

However, if you create another PC in the player2 slot, Amber can romance him. You can do this by starting a multiplayer game and creating two PCs. You can later move the savegame from the multiplayer savegame folder to the dingle player savegame folder if you wish to continue playing in single player mode, not that it makes much difference if you're playing the game just by yourself. That way you can enjoy two concurrent romances without cheating.

Edited by Meira, 14 January 2007 - 05:39 AM.

[Rubberduck]

Just as i feared.

I know that every ongoing romance will stop if you progress too far with another romancing npc.
Is there a way to manage this with shadowkeeper? I really got no problem with cheating

Or is there a mod anywhere? I recall a small one called "concurring romances". Or was it part of a mod? I don't remember

[berelinde]

Ease of Use or BG2 Tweaks will let you multi-romance, but only for the BioWare Four.

Since one of the big rules is not to mod a mod, I'd say "no" about a mod that will let you multi-romance mod NPCs.

It isn't only the player's choice. The modder decides whether or not his or her NPC is likely to be all right with multiple romances from a roleplaying standpoint.

It's one thing to play as a player and say "I want to run all these romances at once, and I expect everybody to be all right with it. But Amber isn't the most trusting soul on Faerun, anyway. Why would she trust your PC if you were already committed to Aerie, Viconia, *and* Jaheira?

From a player convenience point of view, it works, but from a roleplaying point of view, no way.

Edited by BGhead, 14 January 2007 - 06:01 AM.

[Meira]

But isn't it ultimately player's decision whether he wants to roleplay or not?

Sure, but I chose to make Amber more convenient for a roleplaying oriented player because that's that way I like it. That's the kind of mod I like to play. If that turns out to be inconvenient for a player that doesn't like / care so much about role-playing, then it's too bad.

[Rubberduck]

But isn't it ultimately player's decision whether he wants to roleplay or not?

Sure, but I chose to make Amber more convenient for a roleplaying oriented player because that's that way I like it. That's the kind of mod I like to play. If that turns out to be inconvenient for a player that doesn't like / care so much about role-playing, then it's too bad.

You're right. I just wanted to save some time. I know that it is ridicilous to persue several romances at once. Especially from a roleplaying point of view. From my point of view an experienced player (meaning older or adult player) should be able to keep this in mind and focus on every romance individually.

You must admit that it is nearly impossible (and somwhat boring) to play the game again and again just to see every aspect of each possible romance. That said i estimate the playing time for bg2 and all mods just for the NPC i have in mind to romance must be nearly have a year (2 hours playing time a day. Max!).

Of course that's not what the modders intended but time is very precious. And is still want to see what this beautiful game has to offer.

[Mistress Elysia]

Fade's romance is similar in that way to Amber's (and most modded romances, to be honest) - she is programmed to have conflicts and has a cut-off point with the Bioware romances, but there's nothing specifically in it content wise for other modded romances - there are no dialogues specific to concurrent romancing - she won't huff out on you about it. Personally, I don't mind if people want to work around a concurrent romance (I know some other romances have a very specific 'no concurrent romance' mentality), but at the same time, I don't actively support it in the mod either, so if something wigs out due to concurrent romancing, it's kind of out of my hands! I guess I'm with Meira on this one - I created an NPC because I do like the RP aspect of BG, and so am much more RP orientated. Concurrent romancing wouldn't fit in with Fade's personality in any way, and so to remain true to her character, it wasn't something I really had in mind when writing her. I honestly don't know if anyone has tried to concurrently romance her and what the results were... feel free to try, but just bear in mind that things might need to be tweaked in order to work for you .

Oh, and Meira... crossmod. We have to do this some time!

Edited by Mistress Elysia, 14 January 2007 - 07:05 AM.

[Rubberduck]

Oh, and Meira... crossmod. We have to do this some time!

Do this. I'll appreciate it


Guess i'll have to make a decision then. Fade or Amber? Man i hate this......

[berelinde]

You don't have to decide! Just start a multiplayer game and romance Fade with Player 1 and Amber with Player 2. Problem solved!

That's the beauty of having an NPC that will romance Player 2.

I kind of like doing this myself, but I usually run a female pc and romance a guy.

Edited by BGhead, 14 January 2007 - 07:17 AM.

[Rubberduck]

Nice idea.

BUT you only have room for 6 NPC (including your own player). 2 Players would mean only 4 left for the NPC. Take Fade and Amber = only 2 left. So what about Valygar, Viconia, Jaheira, Imoen........

That's what i mean by saying "i hate this". I really do........

[berelinde]

PC ranger, maybe
Fade
Player2 something tankish
Amber
Yoshimo/Imoen
Rotating party member slot

The game will take longer to finish that way, but you'll only have to play through once.

[Kulyok]

Actually, modern romances usually last alongside each other for a pretty long while, aka Jaheira-Viconia in unmodded BG2. So you might end up not needing to tweak your scripts, - and Amber, for one, has an extensive friendship path.

[Pain Elemental]

Well, because I'm rather creative, I made a party with Charname, Player 2 Charname, Amber, Fade, Tashia and Imoen and I finished the game while romancing ALL of them. (Amber with Player 2). It was actually quite fun to have 2 or 3 lovetalks/flirts right after another and all of them proclaiming their everlasting love to you.

I've tried it with other NPC's like Saerileth, but that doesn't work. Saerileth's Script somehow forces all romanceactive to 3. Also, I don't know why, but I had to kick start the Fade Romance, because the romanceactive jumped to 3 somewhere in the middle of the game, but it's still quite simple to romance 4 females in one game.

Edited by Pain Elemental, 14 January 2007 - 08:26 AM.

[Meira]

Oh, and Meira... crossmod. We have to do this some time!

We really should!


As for Shadowkeeper commands or such that would allow concurrent romances while Amber romances the protagonist... There are none, so I can't give them. You would need to delete whole blocks of script from her scripts before installing the mod in order to allow that. And while I don't think that that would cause any side effects (like stuttering) I honestly can't guarantee it. Because of the multiple dialogue paths you can take with Amber (the two romances and friendship) and because this was my first mod the coding isn't exactly as straightforward as with bio-NPCs.

But as previously mentioned Amber can romance player 2 and the friendship path is fairly extensive. It contains less talks than the romances, but all quests are included (save bodhinapping). You can compare the different paths here.

[Rubberduck]

We got a crazy situation here. At least I find myself in a crazy situation

From what you said and from what i intended to do i only got these possible solutions left to chose from:

a. create a second player char to romance all npc (including both mod npc Fade and Amber)
Impossible for me cause i won't waste that party slot

b. take both Amber and Fade and decide which romance to follow and which to end
Not very satisfying cause i won't find out which one has the better ending (okay okay you're right. I
won't find out this way nor the other)

c. take Amber or Fade
Hmmmmm. This means spending houndreds of hours (!) to play the game twice just to figure out which
one attracts me more

d. take none of them
Not what i had in mind. I still want to enhance the already known game with some new female npc (i
never installed a modded npc before. Never liked them......)

Guess i'll do some research to find out which girl fits me most. Then i'll take her and play the game using Jaheira and Vicci. Maybe i'll find out very soon that she isn't worth hanging on to and dump her (sorry). This way i can still keep on romancing Vicci and Jaheira

[berelinde]

We got a crazy situation here. At least I find myself in a crazy situation

From what you said and from what i intended to do i only got these possible solutions left to chose from:

a. create a second player char to romance all npc (including both mod npc Fade and Amber)
Impossible for me cause i won't waste that party slot

Nope. you could create a second pc to romance Amber and romance Fade with the bhaalspawn pc. But if you don't want to waste the party slot, that's your call.

b. take both Amber and Fade and decide which romance to follow and which to end
Not very satisfying cause i won't find out which one has the better ending (okay okay you're right. I
won't find out this way nor the other)

You could peek at the epilogues in the mod folder if you felt really strongly about it, but that would be cheating. Never mind. You said you're ok with that.

c. take Amber or Fade
Hmmmmm. This means spending houndreds of hours (!) to play the game twice just to figure out which
one attracts me more

or start 2 games and pull the plug on one of them when you decide on your preference. AFAIK, neither has ToB, tho.

d. take none of them
Not what i had in mind. I still want to enhance the already known game with some new female npc (i
never installed a modded npc before. Never liked them......)

I suppose... Hardly seems satisfying.

Guess i'll do some research to find out which girl fits me most. Then i'll take her and play the game using Jaheira and Vicci. Maybe i'll find out very soon that she isn't worth hanging on to and dump her (sorry). This way i can still keep on romancing Vicci and Jaheira

By the time you do the research, you could have probably formed your own opinion by playing. But your call.

Fortunately, NPCs, mod or otherwise, are nothing but ones and zeros. They don't care if you dump them.

[seanas]

the other option you have, and the one which i use (and i'm hardly alone) is to modify the files yrself. you've only really got to change the NPC's script and dialogue file (and some romances only require the script file to be edited) and the you can romance everyone simultaneously.

[berelinde]

Danger! Danger!

Seanas, you know what you're doing. I would believe that you can get rid of the romance kill blocks quite effectively, without breaking your installation. Not everyone can do this, nor can they necessarily troubleshoot their installation if their tinkering results in a stutter. I am willing to bet that if your average mod consumer tried it, it might not end well.

[Rubberduck]

the other option you have, and the one which i use (and i'm hardly alone) is to modify the files yrself. you've only really got to change the NPC's script and dialogue file (and some romances only require the script file to be edited) and the you can romance everyone simultaneously.

That's it. That's it. Exactly what i had in mind

But BGHead is right. I won't even call myself a modder. Not to mention the rather high level of "average"


@BGHead: Okay i could read the epilogues (even i can manage to do this) but that's something i will never ever do. Cheating is not cheating. Getting my char out of a critical situation or healing him, getting some nice weapons earlier in the game is one thing but knowing what comes next especially in a romantic relationship is another thing.

Again sorry, but i am simply not able to start two separate games and play them alongside. It really is a matter of time. Did i mention my wife's attitude towards me playing playing a pc game for hours?

The research won't take long. Hopefully. I also won't start a new game until ToB content is published. Waiting for newer versions of some mods is becoming sort of a hobby of mine. But that's another story

@Seanas. Maybe i should do some intensive learning. What you said is exactly what i am looking for. Supppose i need to wait for my next weeks off........