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[The Imp]

2. Can't use ANY weapon.

3. Can use armor, but only cloths.

The 2. is impossile to apply. And the third is just the sorcerer class armor restriction, if you add a 't before the armor. As technically the robes are special set class available to casters.

 

The others, the 1 and 6 are doable. You would need to choose the sorcerer as the prinary class and so you can't put the 4 there, you can do it so that the monk class benefits hit the character at level 3 and be 2 levels late, but not the sorcerers.

 

As the reason why the MMKBM doesn't feature sorcerer monk dual option or anything close to that is that the Monk and Sorcerer classes are independent classes, they are not kits. Meaning as that as you can't dual to or from to the or have multiclasses of them, the game won't allow you to build such without a crash.

Now the what I am suggesting that can be done, is fake build a Sorcerer kit in the regular BG2, and actually build a Sorcerer kit in the BG2EE game, so that it gains the same benefits that a monk would get naturally, which just needs a kit building skill ... and I can do most of that. I just need the exact benefit table list, on top of the natural Sorcerer skill set that can't be changed.

[The Imp]

For this subclass minimal stats should be diffrent. STR/AGI/END should be set on minimal 6-8. Imo it's only reasonable set. But maybe I'm in wrong...

I don't think you know what you are saying... cause the game has character based minimal stat rule, that makes the pregenerated character to have at least 75 on their total score of the stats, so: STR + AGI + END + WIS + INT + CHA =< 75 and it can be about 90 as a maximum.

So the minimal stats don't matter at all, it's the maximum that do most of the job. And the fact that the CHA being at 17 can be replaced by hiring Imoen with a character that has CHA at 3, while using her as the innitial speaker, Keldorn and other NPCs, and you get 14 stat points to place else where, and later having the ring of human influence does the same thing. A lot of other similar things are present in the game... yes, you can also do the paladin trick where you have to have high CHA, but that's another matter.

 

I'll see when I can get to my primary computer... as my files are there.

 

Technically the Barbarian is a special class that's very similar like the Fighter class, so much so that it's actually easy to make the Barbarian to be dual-able... but that involves a little trickery, as the character is not actually a "Barbarian" classed character anymore, just kitted one. As in, it's a recreation of the class. Similar like the Sorcerer/Monk kit will be in the reqular BG2's, as I make it Fighter kitted and classed character at start but the game that has a spell effect put to it, which then changes to a Sorcerer with a non standard kit that allows him to gain the Monks powers.
In BGEE's I can just allow the player to select the Sorcerer Kit.

 

Ouh, we need a name for the kit, and yes, Arcane Fist kit name is taken. It's description could look something like this:

 

Kit X:

Description...

ADVANTAGES:

- Spell Casting;

  Doesn't need to memorize spells
  Spells chosen/learned at level-up (not from scrolls)
- Gains Unarmed Striking attack at level 2. Stats and so forth.

- Gains one use of Lay On Hands at level 1, heals +2 hitpoints per level.

- Magic resistance and immunities at higher levels.

- Armor class lowers with at each x level upto level 20.

DISADVANTAGES:
- 2 to all stats.

- Gains no profficiencies in any weapon or style.

- Is restricted to Sorcerer equipment restrictions.

- Has no rogue skills.

 

Of  course these can be adjusted and they probably need more... but this is just a pre-preparation, to show you some of the info that I kinda need from you.

Edited by The Imp, 06 April 2014 - 04:33 AM.

[The Imp]

Maybe Dragon Fist then? Or simply Dragon Monk/Warrior? Eventually Dragonborn, but u know...

Well, I don't know, the game has multiple Dragon... Dragonclaw, mutilple Dragon Disciple kits, as well as other warrior, fighter and so forth characters.
Dragon Monk doesn't exactly describe the character... well to me. And Dragonborn would indicate the mother being actual dragon.
Yes, I already came up with one too... Gray Dragon. Made up description:
 

A Gray Dragon is a magical practisioner that has dedicates his whole life to pursue that which they perseve as perfect being, a true dragon. When they can, they use magic to overwhelm most of their opponents, what truly makes the Gray Dragons unique is their ability to go unarmed and unarmored againts a group of close combat fighters and emmerge victorious, while using their magic as the armor and their weapons.

PS; I edited the above message a lots, so you might wish to look it again, if you didn't see it the whole thing, as well as this message..

Edited by The Imp, 06 April 2014 - 06:31 AM.

[The Imp]

I hope I can get you the preliminary files in a day or two(tomorrow, or the next day)... we'll see.
Ouh, and one last question, will the character be starting at level 1, or 7 ? Just want to make sure...

Edited by The Imp, 08 April 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[The Imp]

I give up for today... I have everything else kinda set up ... except the monks fists... they are hard coded weapons for the class. I need to recreate them using other means... hopefully I get that out tomorrow.

[The Imp]

I almost forgot - can u give him K6 HP per lvl?

Well, you probably mean 1d6... and the answer is not really... in a non EE game, but it's kinda the same if I just give him the 1d4+2(+con bonus) hps per level with the first 10 or so levels. I am not going to give him 1006, nor 6000 HPs. Yep, a dumb joke.
 

Small .tp2 progress thingy:

Spoiler

BACKUP ~Gray_Dragon/backup~
AUTHOR ~Jarno Mikkola, The Imp.~
VERSION ~preluminary v0.80~

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
////////////////////////Gray Dragon
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
BEGIN ~Gray Dragon Kit, available for Human, Half Elf and Elf fighters in BG2~

COPY ~Gray_Dragon/ij#gd1.SPL~        ~override/ij#gd1.SPL~        // Uses the effect
COPY ~Gray_Dragon/ij#gd1.eff~        ~override/ij#gd1.eff~        // summon the cre called ij#dcin1.cre that does the above via script
COPY ~Gray_Dragon/LUdragd.2da~        ~override/LUdragd.2da~        // HLA table copying

//the invisible creature that ends up turning our hero in the non EE versions
COPY ~Gray_Dragon/invicre.cre~        ~override/ij#gdrag.cre~        // Tutu&BGT
  WRITE_ASCII ~0x0248~ ~ij#gdrag~                    // Override script
  WRITE_ASCII ~0x0280~ ~ij#gdrag~                    // Death Variable

//first we got the BG2 fighter kit that is sellected so we can use it to create the character that then gets to be a sorcerer
ADD_KIT ~ijgrayf~

 ~ijgrayf                0           0           0           0           0           0           0           0~
 ~ijgrayf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0~
 ~ijgrayf                14      14      14      9       9       9~ //class requirements, file ABCLASRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayf                -2      -2      -2      -2      -2      -2~ //class modification, file ABCLSMOD.2da
 ~ijgrayf                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual class to minimums, file ABDCDSRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayf                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual class from minimumns, file ABDCSCRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayf                1       1       1       1       1       1       1       1       1~ //class alignment, file ALIGNMNT.2da
 ~ijgrayf                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual classing to rules, file DUALCLAS.2da
 ~Gray_Dragon/ij#dragf.2da~                         //file the new kit will use at it's level up
 ~K_F_H K_F_HE K_F_E~                             //racial and class kit'ing rules, affected files *_*_*.2da
 ~0x00004000 2~                                 //usability flag and class numbers, filed in kitlist.2da
 ~dragd~                                 //used HLA tables rear-fix, used file in this case is LU*.2da, so that's LUdragd.2da
 ~CHAN09 * HELM07 BAG20 RING06 RING31 * BOOT01 AMUL19 BRAC16 BELT06 AROW11,40 BULL03,40 BOLT06,40 POTN52,5 POTN4,2 POTN14,5 HAM07 SW1H27 STAF08~ //horrible ToB item selection
  SAY ~gray dragon innitiate~
  SAY ~Gray Dragon Innitiate~
  SAY ~GRAY DRAGON INNITIATE:
You are an innitiate, that should soon be a full blown Gray Dragon;
A Gray Dragon is a magical practisioner that has dedicates his whole life to pursue that which they perseve as perfect being, a true dragon. When they can, they use magic to overwhelm most of their opponents, what truly makes the Gray Dragons unique is their ability to go unarmed and unarmored againts a group of close combat fighters and emmerge victorious, while using their magic as the armor and their weapons.

ADVANTAGES:
- Spell Casting;
  Doesn't need to memorize spells.
  Spells chosen/learned at level-up (not from scrolls).
- Has both Sorcerer + Monks HLA table.
- Seen as Sorcerer by the world.
- Hit Die 1d4+2 at levels 1-10.

DISADVANTAGES:
- -2 to all stats.
- Gains no profficiencies in any weapon or style.
- Is restricted to Sorcerer equipment restrictions.
- Has no rogue skills.~

//And then we make the actual Sorcerer kit the above turn into.
ADD_KIT ~ijgrayd~
 ~ijgrayd                0           0           0           0           0           0           0           0~
 ~ijgrayd 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0~
 ~ijgrayd                14      14      14      14      9       14~ //class requirements, file ABCLASRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayd                -2      -2      -2      -2      -2      -2~ //class modification, file ABCLSMOD.2da
 ~ijgrayd                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual class to minimums, file ABDCDSRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayd                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual class from minimumns, file ABDCSCRQ.2da
 ~ijgrayd                1       1       1       1       1       1       1       1       1~ //class alignment, file ALIGNMNT.2da
 ~ijgrayd                0       0       0       0       0       0~  //dual classing to rules, file DUALCLAS.2da
 ~Gray_Dragon/ij#drags.2da~                         //monks original file the new kit will use at it's level up to gain the exact same benefits
 ~~                                     //racial and class kit'ing rules, affected files *_*_*.2da, this is clean cause the class is script changed to.
 ~0x00004000 19~                             //usability flag and class numbers, filed in kitlist.2da
 ~IJ#gd1~                                 //used HLA tables rear-fix, used file in this case is LU*.2da, so that's LUdragf.2da
 ~CHAN09 * HELM07 BAG20 RING06 RING31 * BOOT01 AMUL19 BRAC16 BELT06 AROW11,40 BULL03,40 BOLT06,40 POTN52,5 POTN4,2 POTN14,5 HAM07 SW1H27 STAF08~ //horrible ToB item selection
  SAY ~gray dragon~
  SAY ~Gray Dragon~
  SAY ~GRAY DRAGON:
A Gray Dragon is a magical practisioner that has dedicates his whole life to pursue that which they perseve as perfect being, a true dragon. When they can, they use magic to overwhelm most of their opponents, what truly makes the Gray Dragons unique is their ability to go unarmed and unarmored againts a group of close combat fighters and emmerge victorious, while using their magic as the armor and their weapons.

ADVANTAGES:
- Spell Casting;
  Doesn't need to memorize spells.
  Spells chosen/learned at level-up (not from scrolls).
- Slashing Fist weapons at:
  Level 2; damage 1d6, 1 attack per round.
  Level 6; damage 1d8+1, 1 and 1/2 attacks per round.
  Level 11; damage 1d8+2, 2 attacks per round.
  Level 16: damage 1d10+3, 2 and 1/2 attacks per round.
  Level 22; damage 1d20+4, 3 attacks per round.
- Thowing pellet weapon at:
  Level 2; damage: 1d1, range 30 feet.
  Level 21; damage: 1d1+ 1 fire + 1 ice + 1 acid + 1 magic + 1 lightning. Thac0 +50.
- Hit Die 1d4+2 at levels 1-10.
- Has both Sorcerer + Monks HLA table.
- Seen as Sorcerer by the world.

DISADVANTAGES:
- -2 to all stats.
- Gains no profficiencies in any weapon or style.
- Is restricted to Sorcerer equipment restrictions.
- Has no rogue skills.~

COMPILE ~Gray_Dragon/ij#gdrag.baf~
//script that does the  Fighter -> Sorcerer -> Gray Dragon

 

/* The above doesn't contain the hand weapon handling, just the principle text info */

Edited by The Imp, 11 April 2014 - 07:22 AM.

[The Imp]

And one question - how will u implemented HLA? Because I'm going to play with modified HLA table - Monk and Sorcerer has diffrent skills than in Vanilla version and I'm not sure if it will works. U r just adding using table in kit, no every skill separately, right? Or should I send u correct table to edit it?

If you wish a customized skill set up, you would do best to send the skill file. In the monk and sorcerer cross, is should be the "lumo0.2da" and "luma0.2da" files. That's the plan at least.

Very nice progress. Now u will add the rest of Monk's bonuses and skills like Quivering Palm and Stunning Blow, right?

PS: I'm not sure if THAC0 +50 is right value..

Well, this is a special move (with 1 attack per round an all). I plan to set a more realistic thac0 values for the fist attacks too, so not to worry. Hey yeah, you might wish to also send the thaco.2da file.
And yeah, the character will have stunning blows too and quivering palm, but at this early stage, the monk kit is from the vanilla... so editing it will be a little ... say left at your hands. I will do as you like of course, but as I don't have your setup, I can only work with the info you give me. I don't have the "World of Baldur's Gate" so to speak.

Yep, the easiest way for you to "send" me the .2da files, is to open them with Near Infinity or DLTCEP from the game, and save/extract them to a different folder, from which you can then open them with Notepad, and then copy paste the text in them to a post hopefully in the spoilers, like this:

xxx.2da:
[spoiler]-text-[/spoiler]

Which makes this:
xxx.2da:

Spoiler

-text-

4. Spells Table and all profits for monk are moved 2 levels up (I mean that we obtain more spells 2 levels later and we get e.g. Poison Resistance no on level 11th, but 13th) but abilities which are getting since beggining to very end like -1 KP per 2 levels stay intact.

What's the KP -1 ? I think it's might be Armor Class... but I am not sure., so.

Edited by The Imp, 11 April 2014 - 02:25 PM.

[The Imp]

There's a small thing with the combining of the Sorcerer and Monks HLA three, you might need to rid off 3 of them, most likely at least, as the display should only be able to show you 24 of them, and there is no going around that in the vanilla game. I haven't had the ToBEx installed in a long while so this might have changed by it, but that might still be the case.

Also there's a nice little ... the kitted Sorcerer class will only get it's spells during it's leveling to level 2, so it will be missing a spell or two, and you can't cast a thing on level 1. I have given a bonus of the Magic Missile spell on level 2 as a small compensation, but that's still a quite a loose, at the early start, especially without the melee skills.

Premuminary v0.80, meaning without the weapons integrated, or the HPs.

Edited by The Imp, 12 April 2014 - 06:51 AM.