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[Kish]

Quoting Zandilar:

**Warning, mild spoilers for NWN: Hordes of the Underdark, the Return of the Archwizards trilogy of Realms books, and the Baldur's Gate novel trio are contained within this message.**

Please... While the Realms do have some areas that bear a remarkable resemblance to several parts of our world, Abeir-Toril is not Earth.

Here is what Ed Greenwood himself had to say about sexuality in the Realms (you'll have to scroll down - but it's the bit specifically addressing me), and here is another post from Ed (the second one on the page) about marriage, including religiously sanctioned one night stands.

Now, before you all go "pooh pooh, isn't that randy old goat Elminster this guy's mary sue (or is that gary stu?) and therefore he's incapable of making a comment, because he's just this horny old guy?" You also need to remember that Ed Greenwood is the guy who made the Realms in the first place!

TSR, WotC, and now Hasbro have had rather strict "Family Friendly" policies (the latter being the strictest), which means that aspect of the Realms has been scrupulously kept out of print - though sometimes this gets by-passed by particularly clever writers. So you'll probably never see an openly gay, bi, lesbian, or polyamorus person in print, even though there should be. (There are four exceptions I can think of off the top of my head, 1) The description of Elversult in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (pg143), for an example of "clever" (blatant IMHO!) wording... Yanseldara and her consort Vaerana Hawklin, both women. At the time the FRCS first came out, Sean K Reynolds on the Realms-L list would not comment beyond "read it however you want"; 2) The implied polygamous relationship at the end of the Return of the Archwizards series... I don't know how they missed that one; 3) The portrayal of Imoen in (godawful) Philip Athans and (not-so-godawful-but-still-fairly-painful) Drew Karpyshyn's Baldur's Gate trio of books; 4) the implied polygamous relationship at the end of Hordes of the Underdark if the male PC has romanced both Nathyrra and Aribeth.)

The fact of the matter is, Abeir-Toril is nothing like Earth. For a start, they don't have certian real life religions that have dominated Earth society for thousands of years... Instead they have such deities as Sune, who is the goddess of passion, beauty and love... Lliira, the godess of joy, festivals, and dancing. The original party deity! Sharess, who is the goddess of sensual pleasures, festhalls (a nice way of saying brothels), and patroness of courtesans (a nice way of saying prostitutes)... In fact, Sharess's main temple is in Calimport - make of that what you will!

[Grim Squeaker]

Do you think we should post (and pin) Zandilar's quote in every forum just so people can read it?

[Lucythebeast]

Her initial conversation with immy was alittle unrealistic. Not on Chloe's side but Immy's. I know in the end they are supposed to fall in love but at the very begining of the game I would expect a lady of that time, of even the most phenomenal mental constitution, to not be so open to being hit on by another girl (and you must admit those innuendos were alittle more advanced then you would think).

LOL... you read too much into it. 1) This dialogue shows that Chloe is, for reasons she can't figure out for herself, concerned for Imoen. 2) This dialogue shows that Imoen, despite going through all that torture, can still appreciate teasing and manage a (albeit weak) smile. 3) It shows that Imoen is a friendly person and it shows that 4) Imoen is a very perceptive person (she can tell right away that Chloe isn't normally the type of person to give a rat's ass about a stranger.)

It is not, however, a come on. Even Chloe has more class than to hit on a girl who has just been through the worst torture of her life while in the very same dungeon where it happened.

[Grim Squeaker]

Do you think we should post (and pin) Zandilar's quote in every forum just so people can read it?

Things like these have a habit of turning up where they are needed. B)

i.e. We keep copy, pasting and posting it!

[zbysow]

I didn't wanted to start a new topic, so I'll ask here.. :-)

I'm just after lovetalk between Imoen and Chloe. Chloe asked Immy to sleep in her bed, but Imoen refused. She said that to compromise, she can make her bed near Chloe.
Is this the last lovetalk in SOA between Imoen and Chloe ? If not - the how many left in SOA ?? I'm asking because I am in Suldanessalar now, finishing the game soon. And I've done 99,9% quests in Amn. Probably there will be no lovetalks in Hell. I want to reach to the end of this romance.. so for now I might go back to Athkatla for a bit to trigger rest of dialogues.

And another question.. but in relation with first one :

IF I finish the game BEFORE getting the end of romance (last lovetalk), will it continue in TOB ??

[Lucythebeast]

I'm just after lovetalk between Imoen and Chloe. Chloe asked Immy to sleep in her bed, but Imoen refused. She said that to compromise, she can make her bed near Chloe.
Is this the last lovetalk in SOA between Imoen and Chloe ? If not - the how many left in SOA ?? I'm asking because I am in Suldanessalar now, finishing the game soon. And I've done 99,9% quests in Amn. Probably there will be no lovetalks in Hell. I want to reach to the end of this romance.. so for now I might go back to Athkatla for a bit to trigger rest of dialogues.

There's two more love talks. (Three if you count the ToL dialogue, but that's triggered rather than waited on.)

The next one will be Imoen talking to the PC about Chloe, so you may or may not realize it's a lovetalk. Then the next one is the last one. Then you can go to the Tree of Life.

IF I finish the game BEFORE getting the end of romance (last lovetalk), will it continue in TOB ??

No