He is an easter egg. However, it does make some since- who else would be a powerful enough ally to aid you against the danm vampress?

Like I have said, it should prove interesting. Any progress? Picture?

Can anyone tell me if there is a Drizzt romance mod! I can't live without my Drizzty-muffin! *sniff* Or is anyone going to make one? The answer is probably no but I'm gonna' ask anyway...and I don't know how to mod so I can't make one for myself...

Not as hard to mod as you think- I thought I could not- look at my thread just a little down for advise and links to tutorials- unless you mean writing. I have not read Salatory's books (I know I spelt that name wrong- and probably have it wrong anyway ) so could not help you.

2nd Edition D&D INT is equivalent to real world IQ scores, reduced by a factor of 10.  Einstein would therefore actually only have an INT of 16...

Sounds interesting. I'll keep my eye on your progress- it might make me play an Evil PC, which I rairly do.

I suppose it depends on your view. to me, 18 is almost a mythically high attribute- you know, Einstien or Newton would have had an 18 Int. Using 2E rules, the differance is great- I would say 14 or so, but then, you know the character best
My question- how are you going to have her romance evil characters as a CG? If a character is playing true evil, she would leave the party soon after joining it.

I have activated a forum at Chosen of Mystra for Cassandra, for any who are interested in continued discussion. Thank you!

I have to agree with S-conrad- she would have to have lower wisdom to beleive seravak is perfect! Heh, I would enjoy her interactions with him in hell.

There are, curently, no dialouges other than the join planned in the dungeon- but the initial dialouge is fun, to my view, as well. I am not sure what Ctl-J is, as I rairly cheat after creating a character- I WILL sometimes use shadow keeper to create my chars (NG druid, for example, following 3E, not 2E, rules.) I grow tired of the first dungeon at times- but Cassandra SHOULD be worth it (If I dare say so myself). But, I will look into finding a way to patch it in if there is enough intrest. I can understand not wanting to play through Johnnyboy's dungeon again. Of course, you could easily DBG out of it and then CLUA counsel her in- her .chr will likely just be "cassie" or somesuch, but it might cause some problems- I do nto know, she is hardly fully scripted yet. I might put that into the readme when it is written- but that is far down the line.

Well, with DBG (Which I am about to DL- I had it once, then my copy of BG2 went bum. Bought a new copy some months later- after clearing it all- and played Chloe, and have not gotten it since. I have finally gotten fed up with Chatou Irenicus again- so unless I want Chloe in a party, I will use DBG) You would be able to skip the first part of the dungeon, go through it fighting the mephet portals, get her, and go back to jasper... So I see no real need to make it compatable. Who is silver star?

ah, aye, doh- requesting :^^: Howver, I said likely not here as it is still a concept semi-similer to Chrystia, with the modders blessing or not, which I figured would make it a bit of a civil war on the sight. LOL. Well, Civil war is far too strong, but I felt it would be better to go elsewhere.

As for making her a differant class- even though you are right and you can break the rules with an NPC- I can not see her as a bardess or a wizardess. Simply because her concept seems much closer to sorceress than that- a bard picks up a little bit of everything, and at level six is fairly descent in most things. She has had no life experiance other than being tortured and killed by Irenicus- and hence even making her Literate is a bit of a streach. But, a clone of Elliseme- a descendent of the Seldasine- would fit sorcerer well.

There is much I wish to ask people that is not technical help- so does not fit here. Such as flirt Ideas, what they would want in an FAQ, etc- and if anybody would want to be a beta-tester. I had not realized there were more than two or three moding sights for the Infinity/Aurora etc. engine.

Another status report, if for no other reason than I am an egomaniac who enjoys what small praise I get . The good path is done (Rough draft wise, that is- Will be revised when it has had a few day's on the back burner- and I am sure is very buggy!). The first path was 3 general and 6 romance dialouges. Now I am working on the first general dialouge for the fun loving (CN) path.
My question is anybody willing to host a forum for me (Though likely not here) ? Or should I make one at Yahell? I have gotten plenty of help, and no doubt taken too much of your time- again, thank you! you have helped alot! at least S-conrad and Ashara will be given mention in the readme- when I finish it all!

Wow, hard to belive this is your first attempt. I look forward to the completed project.

I didn't say I had a life ever, now did I
No, Seriously I have worked on her much of the day, and alot of yesterday- I had little else to do. Was to wet to do much outside here, and I am unemployed.

PS working on LT 3 now- soon I get to have her proclaim her undying affection to <charname>

And, now, onto, as Reialis Shai say's, one final....odd...request. I will not need it in some time, but is anybody willing to make a Ellisime like picture for her? Even though I can code it (With perhaps a little too much help from you guys- your great!), I know and I KNOW I can not do art! Also, I am a guy- so If I want her voice acted, which would be good, I could use an voice actress. She will speak in Thee's and thou's- just to keep that bit true to the game. And I would not need her voiced until, frankly, she is scripted and written- but just a for the future, on both.

Thank you, S-conrad. I am doing my best- but given the length will take some time to debug even after I am done . I am working hard on it- and have implemented your corrections.

Also, I have written (For the player character only!) the 5 "Universal" talks (the shaping talks, as I call them), the three Generic/friendship talks for cassie as a good character-which will fire BEFORE the love talks, 1 good love talk , and the majority of the second. There will be 5 or 6 love talks for now for each of her three alignments, which is short- but given 8 talks before it, not terribly so. If I can think of more for her to talk about after these planned, I will defanitely add to it. All currently in the order of 15-20 blocks long- a moderate size, I figure.

Just a friendly neigberhood status report for anybody who cares

Oh no, her alignment takes the first five dialouges, as well as your actions during those five (Freeing/killing the slaves, Circus tent, responses in quests, etc- that will be part of what takes a while ) and her discussions with other NPC's during the time into account. In otherwords, both how you treat her and her view of how you act against or for the world, as well as how your companions treat her and the world. The primary influance is Charname, however... . Thus, if you want her to be evil, act like a jerk to her and others.... and take Edwin, korgan, etc with you.

The romance is a combination of:

D-file (dialogue file) that is appended to either PDIALOGUE.2DA (character interacts with PC or outside world) or INTERDIA.2DA (character interacts with the party memebers). Dialogies from PDIALOGUE.2DA is called by Dialogue()/StartDialogueNoSet(), from INTERDIA by Interact() command. Generally the Interdia file starts with extension B and the Pdialogue ends with J. Joining dialogue is usually a special case and is often simply 5 letters from NPC name.

BAF file (scripts) is used to drive all CRE's actions. It is usually appended to the CRE's override script.

Upon compilation D files become DLG and BAF's - BCS and the game then can use them.

You have quite a few errors in your D. A Road to Banter, Ghrey's How to Create... tutorials are great for learning structures. I also have a relatively detailed write-up on all sort of structures used in D files here:

http://forums.gibber...?showtopic=2822

The way the romance works is that BAF sets timers and sequence of talks and calls for them from D files. Simple actions can be done via D file using DO command.

For example the line:

IF ~~ Then REPLY ~As you would have it~ Enemy()

is incorrect in a few aspects:

It shouls be:

IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~As you would have it~ DO ~Enemy()~ EXIT

or, using shorthand:

++ ~As you would have it~ DO ~Enemy()~ EXIT

always remeber that PC's line has to either lead somewhere (EXTERN/GOTO) or EXIT

Thank you both. I said I am new to it- but trying to get it down, and doing so relatively fast. I guess I am a glutton for punishment- making the hardist kind of NPC off the bat, and a complex one at that. I do have one specific question:
Can a number in a global be negative? In this case, if you treat her like dirt early on she leans to evil (Remains TN, but is close to NE)- and continually racks up negatives (IncrumentGlobal("CassWV","GLOBAL", -1)). If it does that, or stay at 0, I am fine- but if it messes up the system I have to rework it.

As a side note- the line above was something I did not catch when making the last, 'enemy' line, and has been changed to GOTO Enemey. And if you are reffering to the statchecks, I have modified them to CheckStatGT(Player1, 15, CHR/WIS/INT (Depending on which stat it is) after looking at the Chloe romance- after I posted this. Also realize this is rough- I will go through it all, as will thebeta-testers when I finish it all (A few weeks, likely, at best) and at that time I will not only add to it, but rework my writing etc.

Looking in other romance mods, I have nto found the answer to a question. How is it that I can set up the romance variables- namely, the timer, the romance active, etc? I know Do ~SetGlobal("globalname", "Local", 1), but in what file? And how do you do the timer perioud?

Just to show it has begun, bellow is the initial dialouge. Feel free- as it incoded- to correct me if I have made any coding mistakes. I know that the coding for attribute requirements is wrong- that is one of the things I must look up. (I have six dialouges written and nearly coded- The innitial and the first 5 "universal' dialouges (How you answer her in them puts her as one of three kinds of women- self centered seductress (NE), pleasure and fun seeking nymphomaniac (CN), and sweet, gentle maidon (NG)- all romancable. It will be a BIG mod) Comments? Please if you critisize do it constructively B)

Begin MbcasJ

IF ~NumTimesTalkedTo(0)~ FirstMeeting
Say ~Ah! Thou hast come once again to prey upon me, my 'master'!!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I am not your master, Dear lady. Is there aught I can do for you?~ GOTO doforme
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Tell me who you are and what you are doing here!~ GOTO whoamI
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Yes, I am your master. Calm yourself woman!~ GOTO master
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Nothing shall prey on you save my blade!~ GOTO Blade
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN doforme
SAY ~Do for me? Do for me?! After all thou hast already done!~ GOTO Herimage
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN whoamI
SAY ~Thou Knowest who I am, foul one! Or dost thou now Mistake me for HER?! you created me, fool! And killed and created and killed and created! And now I shall put an end to thee!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Wait! I am not who you think I am!~ Goto notmaster
IF ~~ Then REPLY ~As you would have it~ Enemy()
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN master
SAY ~I shall not! You may have created me, but I am not a play-thing! I am not HER, no matter how thou dost wish it! Kill me a dozen times over, I am never her!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~And who is this woman I might wish you to be?~ GOTO herimage
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not my play thing. I appologize for anything I may have done~ GOTO not plaything
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~And who might you be then?~ GOTO Herimage
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Created, eh? Very well, I shall have no remorse ending your existance then!~ GOTO blade
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN blade
SAY ~Aye, so be it! Danm my copied soul and danmed be thine as well! Kill me again, and again, and again!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~DIE~ GOTO enemy
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Wait, I do not want to kill you! Please, go on your way, we will not hinder thee~ GOTO sendaway
IF ~Cha 16+~ THEN REPLY ~Wait, my dear lady! We may be able to talk this out!~ GOTO cha blade
IF ~Cha 16+~ THEN REPLY ~Do you not fear death, my dear lady?~ GOTO feardeath
IF ~Int 16+~ THEN REPLY ~WAIT! If from what you say, you are indeed not this woman you wished me to beleive you to be, then I must submit that you are...~ GOTO Int blade
IF ~Wis 16+~ THEN REPLY ~Hmm. Wait, dear lady. I think you have mistaken me for another- I can see you are scared, can we talk about it?~ GO TO Wis blade
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Herimage
SAY ~Thou hast created me in HER image, but I am not HER! I am not! And I shall ne'er let thee touch me again! No more death to rise again not her!~
IF ~wis 16+~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not. Your master has tormented you long enough- and me as well.~ GOTO HI wis
IF ~int 16+~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not. And your master has tormented me as well. Perhaps we should kill him for it- together.~ GOTO HI wis
IF ~cha 16+~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not. Please, dear lady- do I seem to be the evil bastard your master obviously is? Come with me- and be free of his evil. No more clones- no more death.~ GO TO HI Cha
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Fine then. Die.~ GOTO Enemy
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not. Please, though- do not make me kill you. Go on your way- escape this place~ GOTO Sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Notmaster
SAY ~You are not my 'master'? Explain yourself, then. Who are you?~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I am <Charname>, a prisoner of your creater. I am now escaping his danmedable dungeon- and would invite you to join me, if you wish.~ GOTO Join
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I am death come for thee~ GOTO Enemy
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I am a prisoner of your master, dear lady. My name is <Charname>, from candlekeep. Would you like to join with me?~ GOTO Join
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I am an escaped prisoner, like yourself. I will be on my way- and I advise you to be as well.~ GOTO sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN notplaything
SAY ~Ahhh! I see HER in every mirror! I hear HER with every breath! I would tear off mine own skin to be rid of HER! I am not HER! Kill me again and again and I am not her! But I will be rid of YOU!
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~I will leave you to it then~ GOTO Blade
IF ~cha 16+~ THEN REPLY ~But, my lady- tis so lovely an immage. Surely you would not wish to damage it? Join me, and let mine eyes gaze upon HER~ GOTO CHA notplaything
IF ~Wis 16+~ THEN REPLY ~My lady, if you have been killed time and again by your master- would he not kill you again?~ GOTO WIS notplayting
IF ~Int 16+~ THEN REPLY ~A clone of a elf, of noble blood I think. Tell me, dear lady, why do you hate your immage?~ GOTO INT notplayting
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN cha blade
SAY ~Talk this out? Talk this out! You have created me in HER immage! I am not HER! I will never be HER!!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~No, you are not her. You are yourself. Please, my lady- accept my appology, and join with us. We will seek out your former master, and kill him!~ GOTO Join
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~You are quite clearly mad. DIE!~ Enemy ()
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN feardeath
SAY ~Fear death? Fear death? You will simply make me again- and again, but I am not HER! Never will I be HER! Not HER!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Then let us talk this out, my dear lady. Surely we can come to some kind of agreement?~ GOTO cha blade
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Then, my blade will seek your heart. DIE!~ GOTO Enemy
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Int Blade
SAY ~This is a new tactic. You are trying to talk me to death! But I am not her...NOT HER! Talk all you wish, I am simply not her!~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~No, my lady, you are not her. I do not know her. Then, you are her clone- and come, dear girl. Join with me, and we will find your former master- and perhaps 'her'~ GOTO join
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~If that is not good enough... then you will have to fall by my spell and blade! DIE~ GOTO Enemy
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN HI wis
SAY ~He has tormented you? I can see in your eyes you are not him- and I am not Her.~ GOTO notmaster
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN HI cha
SAY ~You...you have not attacked me.~ GOTO notmaster
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN cha notplaything
SAY ~I wish that were true. But, how can you say it is? I am ugly, I have HER face- I am sick and tired of HER!~ GOTO notmaster
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN wis notplaything
SAY ~Then... then... I am not her! and...~ GOTO notmaster
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Int notplaything
SAY ~You know who I am, foul one... or, are you...~ GOTO notmaster
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Join
SAY ~Join you? I...well...why would you want me to join you?~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Because I love the look of HER~ GOTO AAAAAH
IF ~wis 14+~ THEN REPLY ~Because I love the look of you~ GOTO Oh
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~You are a prisoner of my captor, and have as much reason to hate him as I have. Please, join me~ GOTO samecaptor
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~You know, perhaps...do not join me, but you may leave in peace. I wish you a good life.~ GOTO send away
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Never mind, clone. Prepare to die!~ GOTO Enemy
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN AAAAAH
SAY ~I am not her! Not her!!!~ GOTO Enemy
END

IF ~~THEN BEGIN oh
SAY ~I...You like me? I have never been liked. I..I am flattered.~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Yes, I like you. Please, join me...but, what is your name?~ GOTO name
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Well, you are a powerful mage and all.~ GOTO mage
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Yes, but not enough to travel with you. I wish you well.~ GOTO sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN samecaptor
SAY ~Yes, well, I have screamed enough, and so have you. Those marks- the drueger made them, yes?~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~They made them, but enough on that, Dear lady. Might I know your name?~ GOTO name
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Yes. I am surprised there is so little on you, though. I can tell you are a powerful mage.~ GOTO mage
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Enough I do not to be reminded of it. I am sorry, Dear lady- but I can not take you with me. Escape on your own.~ GOTO sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN name
SAY ~My name? I do not know. I truely do not know. I..I will call myself Cassandra. Yes. Cassandra.~
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~Then, Please join with me, Cassandra, and we will be on our way.~ GOTO Join2
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~A nice name, a lovely name for a lovely lady.~ GOTO Blush
IF ~~ THEN REPLY ~A fair name. I wish you well, Cassandra, but I changed my mind- there is no room for you in my party~ GOTO sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN mage
SAY ~Well, I am gifted with some raw power I have learned to shape. I am not really a mage. Oh, to introduce myself, er,...~ GOTO Name
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Join2
~Cassandra nods, and say's "Thank you, my Hero."~ SetGlobal ("cassandrajoin",LOCALS, 1), JoinParty()~ EXIT
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN blush
SAY ~Cassandra blushes at your words~
REPLY ~ kiss her cheek and say "Let us go, dear lady"~ GOTO kiss
REPLY ~Shall we go?~ GOTO Join2
REPLY ~I am afraid we will not be able to go together, though, lovely lady. I wish you luck.~ GOTO sendaway
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN kiss
~Cassandra blushes a deeper red before returning a kiss to your cheek, and smiles at you, before stepping away, joy in her eyes.~ GOTO Join2
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN sendawy
SAY ~Thank you for letting me go- I had best run now before my master returns. Please, take this wand and its brothers to escape.~ EXIT
END

IF ~~ THEN BEGIN Enemy
sAY ~No, you will DIE! I will kill you! Not her...~ Enemy()
END

well, I am giving it a try. Writing the initial dialouge with the poor girl- which is similer to the origional (Contains it all), but both expanded and worked.
Good Idea about the ID crisis, Kingkiller.

Well, I am restricted in class due to the fact that she uses spells in the game... So must be either a sorcerer, a mage, or a bard. hmm... a bard... that could be interesting, and yet no. Elvish bards are not allowed in 2E, which I feel is stupid, but I will play by the rules. So, mage or sorcerer. As for personality, I am going to have a basic personality that (Charname) can shape- or such was my thought. I am going through Near infinity getting the area, etc. It will be a very, very long time- if ever- before ellie- or whatever I call her- comes to light, though.

You would be hard pressed to show me labaling anybody that way. I said it is not how I work- how can you take that as "arrogantly labelling everyone who does not write original characters as lowly peasents" is far beyond me. Politeness has never been my forte, so cool down, ok? I might be crude- but it is never meant as Insult if you read such in there.

I never said it was uncreative. If I did, it was unintentional. I said It is not how I am creative- a very differant statement. My creativity leans to my own creations- not working with others. those that can work with others I raise my hat too- ok? Like I meant to say earlier- but due to a typo, or too fast fingers got serriously messed up, is my brain works best- MY brain, ok?- on my own creations. Sheesh.

For one thing, it would be Any of the four, not either. If you want to throw insults, I could- but I am not the kind of person to go into a flame war. I do not understand why you feel the need to insult and flame me- I have said nothing offensive to you, to my knowledge.
As for Dedication, research, and effort, you write a 50 page thesis and say that again, little witch. Learn to have board ettiquite, and if you are so kind, until you do do not reply to my post again. I would rather it be stricken than be insulted.

heh, I have yet to hear anybody willing to code anyway. Any talk about it...I could try again, it was well over a year- perhaps two- taht I tried (Gosh, it is an old game!), but I would prefer another. Expecially if I made her romanceable. Expecially as I will have alot of dialouge regardless- er, would have alot.

This is true. As for the square inch- well, material components are hardly mentioned, after all, in the main game. And we are talking a beign of unimagionable power- but, I have no coder regardless. I am surprised to have this much attention, honestly- even if I am replying quite a bit...
As for the clonign tanks, aye- they were full of 'the same woman, or at least parts of the same woman'. that could mean stasis as much as it could cloaning. Actually, they seem very similer, to me, to the tanks Reilev Et all are in, which would seem more stasis- hmm.

And Ashara- I do mean that my brain works back working with my own work, instead of fan fiction. I have written fan fic before, but it is not as enjoyable as it would be to create- and like I said, I have not read any of the forgoten realms books ETC anyway, so making Ellisime a TOB character would be very difficult to me- I know only that she is a queen of the elves of Sullandsar, and a descendant of Rillfane- that is not enough to continue. So, lets see... a quick scetch of what I was thinking

'ellie' (Temporary name)
Race: Elf/clone
Gender: Female
Class: Sorceress
Starting Level: 6
Strength: 10- a clone, with little experiance and from an elf from the magic
Dexterity: 16- An elf, but with no experiance
Constitution: 12- an elf clone, though born of the gods, been abused many times
Intelligance: 14- knows enough to be a mage, but
Wisdom: 12- Little experiance in the world, but perceptive
Charisma: 15- born/cloned From a very lovely woman, but is unsure what to do in the world, and has few social skills- to begin with.

Profficiancies: Knife, darts

Spells:
Level 1: Protection from evil, Armor, Magic missle, flaming hands, sleep
Level 2: Agannazars scorcher, Mirror Image, Blur
Level 3: Monstor summoning 1

History:
One of a number of clones of the 'mistress', or perhaps in day's gone by wife, of Irenicus, Ellie, as she calls herself, is an innocent in the world- and for the first time in her life- after being created by a terrible and evil spell of Irenicus- she is traveling free. She would never have left on her own- she is unsure what to do, knowing only small amounts, practically, about the world, and will listen to her rescuer, and will travel with you to the end of the world... or beyond.

Ideas:
Possibly romanceable
No special items to begin with at least, likely if romanceable one or two special items to deal with the romance.
No special abilities above her sorcery
probably 1 or two small quests, and/or 1 moderate one
Can be influinced by her rescuers (Charnames) view of the world- will slowly warp to his/her alignment if brought the right way.
anybody interested? Heh. obviously some are...

Because the origional concept was to take the clone of her into the party, instead of murder her. and I do nto know the character well enough to make her as a party member. and finally, from what little I can tell there would be considerable differance- or at least enough to make them unique- between the mods. One would recruit the clone you meet in chatou Irenicus- not a differant one. And she would be recently born- a sorceress, perhaps, that is a tabula rosa for you to aid (Love, abuse perhaps to a point, guide to your view point), not a reborn person. But, I did not say I would make a mod anyway- I have tried, and stink at coding- I could hardly make head or tails of it. It was a concept I would be willing to write the dialouges for, not code- and without coding....

Besides, I do not like using other peoples work (More than I would). I am pesky that way- I enjoy creating. But, I said last night unless there was intrest I would not step on anybodys toes (Ref: Chrystia) regardless- It is more asking if there is intrest in THAT Idea.