This is a topic about the most powerful force users from Jedi to Sith, the timeline doesn't matter so go ahead and post who you think is the greatest from the older Kotor days to the golden years of the Republic and to the later years of the Empire and of coarse after the fall of the Empire. Another interesting thing about this topic would be to match up Jedi and Sith of all timelines to spar in a fight, who would win and why??? you can also do locations like where both Jedi would fight for instance Freedom Nadd vs. Desan(from Jedi Outcast II) on Nubia....the possibilities are endless so go ahead and post....by the way i real;ize i could of put this in a more appropiate forum but seeing as i spend all my time on the site here i feel i know you guys better so i'll put it here if you guys don't mind that is....to start....
Revan vs. Luke Skywalker
An unbelievable tilt that i think Revan would win, not to disrespect Luke but Revan to me looks far more powerful than Luke ever was, i mean Luke is one of the greatest Jedi and i know he destroyed the Death Star and all that but Revan single-handedly won the Mandalorian Wars and nearly concoared the galaxy with his forces. I think Yavin 4 would suit this great saber fight inside the Temple there, an interesting sidenote might be that Revan could possibly be the great, great, great, and i mean great grandfather of Luke, do you think it's possible that Revan had the famed Skywalker blood in him??? they never do actually tell you Revans last name......interesting theory.....
Force Users: Jedi and Sith
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 05:45 AM
Sith > Jedi.
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 06:47 PM
What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Kyle Katarn vs. The Exile
Normally i'd say Katarn would take this fight but that pesky Exile is cut off from the force so i'd have to give the slight edge to him in this scrap, it just think it would be too hard for Katarn to try to figure out how to beat someone cut off from the force. Not to mention that the Exile looks to be more skilled in the force than Katan was.....i think that the battling in the vast city planet of Nar Shaddaa would be great for this matchup, jumping from skyscraper to skyscrapper fighting throughout the city would be cool.
Come on people, there has to be someone here who wants to see a great saber fight.....Post, post....thanks....
Kyle Katarn vs. The Exile
Normally i'd say Katarn would take this fight but that pesky Exile is cut off from the force so i'd have to give the slight edge to him in this scrap, it just think it would be too hard for Katarn to try to figure out how to beat someone cut off from the force. Not to mention that the Exile looks to be more skilled in the force than Katan was.....i think that the battling in the vast city planet of Nar Shaddaa would be great for this matchup, jumping from skyscraper to skyscrapper fighting throughout the city would be cool.
Come on people, there has to be someone here who wants to see a great saber fight.....Post, post....thanks....
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 11:09 PM
Both, and neither. They both have their individual strengths and weaknesses. You cant really use Revan or the Exile as examples, as the games had it to where they could have went dark or light. All in all, I'd have to say the jedi (nevermind that in most of my kotor/kotor 2 games I'm evil). You've seen what happens when the sith try to join forces, they end up exterminating each-other. Any time the darkside rises in power, it destroys itself.
Example: In the original trilogy, Vader was the one to kill the Emperor, not Luke.
Example: In the original KotOR, Malak tried to kill Revan, and Revan ended up killing him.
The Sith ended up being forced to survive by sticking to Master/Apprentice only. Even then, once the apprentice surpassed the master, he/she would challenge him/her and win or lose, a new apprentice was chosen. So while the Sith may be more powerful in short bursts, the jedi will ALWAYS outlast them.
Example: In the original trilogy, Vader was the one to kill the Emperor, not Luke.
Example: In the original KotOR, Malak tried to kill Revan, and Revan ended up killing him.
The Sith ended up being forced to survive by sticking to Master/Apprentice only. Even then, once the apprentice surpassed the master, he/she would challenge him/her and win or lose, a new apprentice was chosen. So while the Sith may be more powerful in short bursts, the jedi will ALWAYS outlast them.
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Posted 23 January 2006 - 11:48 PM
Both, and neither. They both have their individual strengths and weaknesses. You cant really use Revan or the Exile as examples, as the games had it to where they could have went dark or light. All in all, I'd have to say the jedi (nevermind that in most of my kotor/kotor 2 games I'm evil). You've seen what happens when the sith try to join forces, they end up exterminating each-other. Any time the darkside rises in power, it destroys itself.
Example: In the original trilogy, Vader was the one to kill the Emperor, not Luke.
Example: In the original KotOR, Malak tried to kill Revan, and Revan ended up killing him.
The Sith ended up being forced to survive by sticking to Master/Apprentice only. Even then, once the apprentice surpassed the master, he/she would challenge him/her and win or lose, a new apprentice was chosen. So while the Sith may be more powerful in short bursts, the jedi will ALWAYS outlast them.
Very true, but the Sith constantly challenge themselves to make sure the strongest always rules.....a star wars expert told me that they believed much like the Jedi did in bringing balance to the force that one day a Sithrise to power who can't be defeated by the Jedi or the fellow Sith(so that's the main reason why i guess).....maybe that's why the Jedi couldn't see the Anakin the Vader future transformation.....but i made this for ALL jedi of ALL ages to fight....i know that some may seem unfair to other Jedi but use your imagination and think of a classic battle......keep them coming....
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 03:51 AM
"Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 04:49 AM
"Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
That's exactly what I didn't like in the Kotor games. Somehow, the makers always succeed in making the dark side cooler and having better force powers. There should be a balance.
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 06:45 AM
Of course there are exceptions... like Obi-Wan beat Anakin in Ep.III. Although Anakin wasn't that powerful yet, and Obi-Wan was a jedi master. So actually I'd wager that the master jedi/sith wins the apprentice jedi/sith most of the times, but not always (Darth Maul vs. Gui-Gonn). But I think Yoda would have done short work of Maul, had they fought."Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
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Of course there are exceptions... like Obi-Wan beat Anakin in Ep.III. Although Anakin wasn't that powerful yet, and Obi-Wan was a jedi master. So actually I'd wager that the master jedi/sith wins the apprentice jedi/sith most of the times, but not always (Darth Maul vs. Gui-Gonn). But I think Yoda would have done short work of Maul, had they fought.
"Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
I know a lot of people didn't like Count Dooku(including myself) but i have to admit he was very powerful for a fallen Jedi and if Anakin hadn't killed him proving he was better i'm betting that the droid army led by Grevious would of won the war.....
Count Dooku vs. Qui-Gon Jinn
An interesting battle that never took place but i'd think Dooku would of beaten Qui-Gon even when he was a Jedi.....the plains of Naboo would be an good fighting location.....
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 01:47 PM
That's exactly what I didn't like in the Kotor games. Somehow, the makers always succeed in making the dark side cooler and having better force powers. There should be a balance.
At first, I was going to disagree with you, but thinking about it, it is much easier to beat Kotor 1 when you have the dark side drain power at the very end...
But then, I think that is the whole point. Dark side is power, but power corrupts, and corruption leads to self-destruction. (Or something like that.)
For the Light side, they manage to endure through thick and thin.... and I now see that I merely repeated someone... sorry Sephiroth.
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That's exactly what I didn't like in the Kotor games. Somehow, the makers always succeed in making the dark side cooler and having better force powers. There should be a balance.
At first, I was going to disagree with you, but thinking about it, it is much easier to beat Kotor 1 when you have the dark side drain power at the very end...
But then, I think that is the whole point. Dark side is power, but power corrupts, and corruption leads to self-destruction. (Or something like that.)
For the Light side, they manage to endure through thick and thin.... and I now see that I merely repeated someone... sorry Sephiroth.
For the game KotOR I, Light Side "Destroy Droid" is very useful at the end as well. (Works wonders against the Star Forge droids and it destroys the Jedi stasis cells as well, two at a time, in fact.
) As for the whole Jedi vs Sith. The main deciding factor of any conflict is strength in the force, whether it be Jedi or Sith, in a duel between two force users, the stronger would usually come out victorious (given there is no outside factors).
In a fight between two equally (or near equally strong) opponents, the Sith would have the advantage. For a Jedi to use the Dark Side of the Force is taboo, but the Sith does not have such restrictions on using the Light Side of the Force (though somehow they just don't seem to use them).
Also, because the Sith does can channel their emotion into strength (as opposed to the Jedi controlling their emotions), it also gives the Sith more of a will to win.
The main advantage the Jedi has over the Sith is their affinity to harmony (see Jedi Code) instead of discord. While a Jedi Apprentice will follow his/her master until s/he has learned all there is to learn, a Sith Apprentice will likely kill his/her master whenever the opportunity presents itself.
Jedi are able to work together in harmony while the Sith lose much collective strength due to internal struggle for power (If it were not for the Rule of Two, there wouldn't be many Sith left
). Just as the Tanar'ri cannot defeat Baatezu despite having overwhelming numbers, the Sith cannot win against the Jedi even with superior strength.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 03:18 AM
Interesting way to compare jedi & sith...Just as the Tanar'ri cannot defeat Baatezu despite having overwhelming numbers, the Sith cannot win against the Jedi even with superior strength.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 11:46 AM
"Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
*Refers to apprentice obi-wan killing sith lord maul*
As I said, it all just depends on the people battling in individual duels.
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 11:55 AM
Actually Maul was just the apprentice.
"Sith > Jedi" means that Sith is better than Jedi's.What??? sorry not up on on the internet lingo.....
Basically, what I meant was that individual Sith always appear to be stronger than individual Jedi. The problem with Sith apprentices surpassing their masters is one thing, and so is the strength in the Jedis' numbers, but individually, a Jedi don't stand a chance.
*Refers to apprentice obi-wan killing sith lord maul*
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Posted 25 January 2006 - 06:51 PM
Yep, but he's still considered a Sith Lord. Ever hear anyone refer to Vader as "Apprentice Vader" instead of "Lord Vader"?
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Yep, but he's still considered a Sith Lord. Ever hear anyone refer to Vader as "Apprentice Vader" instead of "Lord Vader"?
Both the apprentice and the master hold the title of Dark Lord of the Sith simultaneously. (But that doesn't mean they are equal)
Of course, titles really have little meaning; it all has to do with strength and mastery of the force.
Incidentally, in KotOR I, Revan, Bastila, Juhani and Jolee were all officially Padawans.
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Posted 26 January 2006 - 07:22 AM
And besides, I would base my claim that Vader and Maul were apprentices on the fact that the Emperor/Palpatine could have killed them both... therefore they were weaker, and thus apprentices.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 11:12 AM
Contoversial match up as many people say these two are alike or one's a knock off of the other.....
Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader
Despite what people say i think Malak would put up quite a fight but in the end i think Vaders power would surpass Malaks and eventually Malak would fall......the Death Star would be perfect for this fight, that or the Star Forge.....
Darth Malak vs. Darth Vader
Despite what people say i think Malak would put up quite a fight but in the end i think Vaders power would surpass Malaks and eventually Malak would fall......the Death Star would be perfect for this fight, that or the Star Forge.....
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 01:48 PM
Yeah, I wonder how Maul would do against Vader... that would be tough.
It's strange how I dislike Anakin, but like Vader...
It's strange how I dislike Anakin, but like Vader...
