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#21 m5000

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:31 PM

Deeper Shadows of Amn

SCSBGT_v4.1

1pp-v2 for better graphics


D0Questpack (at PPG)
D0Tweaks (at PPG)


are they compatible with BGT? and with these:

1. BG2 fixpack v1
2. SoS v1.11
3. TDD v1.11
4. CtB v1.8
5. Tortured Souls for BP v6.09
6. Reign of Terror v2.0
7. Baldur's Gate Trilogy v1.02
8. Dark Side of the Sword Coast v1.85
9. Northern Tales of the Sword Coast v1.45
10. Secret of Bonehill v2.05
11. Big Picture v177
12. BG2 Tweaks v3
13. DEFJAM XP fixer v3
14. BP-BGT Worldmap v6.3

i'm asking because it says e.g. in the One Pixel Productions readme that 'This Artwork pack is designed to work with Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn with or without the Throne of Bhaal expansion pack. The mod is also compatible with Tutu.' - there is not a word here about BGT, i don't want to mess things up

actually, the same seems to refer to Sword Coast Stratagems, i know there is a post 'Sword Coast Stratagems for BGT version 4.2', but i couldn't find any reference to BGT in the readme, only some referrences to TuTu

and what about QuestPack v2.3?

so i just wanted to make sure it's ok to install them with BGT

#22 Chevalier

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:52 PM

Yes they should all work!!! I always use 1pp-v2 with BP-BGT. Use Sword Coast Stratagems for BGT version 4.2 with BGT.

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#23 m5000

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:57 PM

Yes they should all work!!! I always use 1pp-v2 with BP-BGT. Use Sword Coast Stratagems for BGT version 4.2 with BGT.


and e.g. a mod 'Amber' - it's an NPC mod and in the readme it says 'This mod is designed to work with Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn with the Throne of Bhaal expansion pack. The mod should be compatible with other WeiDU mods...' - nothing about BGT or Tutu, is it compatible with BGT? if so, does it mean that all mods that are WeiDU and are designed for BG1/2 are automatically BGT compatible unless there is a warning about incompatibility? because in the readmes of many mods there is nothing about BGT...

#24 Chevalier

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 09:03 PM

Amber should be ok too, but not all WeiDU mods are check here and here for list of comp. mods, if they are on both lists then they should work.

Edited by Chevalier, 02 December 2006 - 09:10 PM.

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#25 m5000

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 10:47 PM

so i assume that AjocsMinimodWeidu v16 is not compatible because it isn't listed

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 10:53 PM

so i assume that AjocsMinimodWeidu v16 is not compatible because it isn't listed





Ajocs Minimod is fine. One of the primary things you want to look at when determining whether a mod is "compatible" with your install or not is 1st, whether is appends and patches the files in your installation rather than overwriting them, and 2nd whether it creates duplications of existing NPC's, overlapping of dialogs, etc. You can have a mod that is technically "compatible" and still cause wierd incompatibilites without actually "breaking" your game. You can also have slight incompatibilities which are easy to live with, such as dialogs which don't take into account the fact that you have previously met a NPC, or something like that. It's very difficult to make a mod that isn't going to cause at least one ot two things to not match up seamlessly.

Edited by erebusant, 02 December 2006 - 11:02 PM.

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#27 Chevalier

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 10:57 PM

Why?? It needs TDD to work. I am not sure if it works or not.

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#28 m5000

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 03:24 AM

do you know where else to get

HERBS AND POTIONS ADD-IN

and

HE GREY CLAN EPISODE I: IN CANDLELIGHT


the download section at www.blackwyrmlair.net doesn't seem to work

#29 Chevalier

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 04:04 AM

m5000,

There is alot to play with just the main mods. Maybe you should get a game going and working right with them before you try to install very little mod. Just to get my install to work right I often have to reinstall 3 or 4 times. See if you can get BP-BGT-TDD-SoS-TS working right.

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#30 m5000

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 04:21 AM

m5000,

There is alot to play with just the main mods. Maybe you should get a game going and working right with them before you try to install very little mod. Just to get my install to work right I often have to reinstall 3 or 4 times. See if you can get BP-BGT-TDD-SoS-TS working right.



please, don't discourage me :)

the point is that BP-BGT-TDD-SoS-TS is a larger part of the modded game, when i've finished it, i will have absolutely no motivation to go back to it with smaller mods added, so i guess it's best to install a bit more than just BP-BGT-TDD-SoS-TS at the very beginning...

anyway, when i look at other people's mega-installations, i think that mine isn't really that impressive

here it is:

i've compiled a list of mods i'd like to install with some comments i found here and there:



0. Full BG1+ToTSC+5512 patch and BG2 SOA+TOB+26498 patch

1. BG2 fixpack v1
2. SoS v1.11 (Shadows Over Soubar)
3. TDD v1.11 (The Darkest Day)

4. CtB v1.8 (Check the Bodies)
5. CtBXPFix (Experience cap patch)

6. TS-BPv6.09 (Tortured Souls)

7. RoTv2.0 (Region of Terror) + RoTv2.01_Fix

8. BGT102-Install v1.02 (Baldur's Gate Trilogy)

9. DSotSC4BGTWeidu185WM6 (Dark Side of the Sword Coast)
10. NTotSC4BGTWeidu145WM6 (Northern Tales of the Sword Coast)
11. SoBHv205FullWM6 (Secret of Bonehill)

12. Deeper Shadows of Amn
13. FR_ROV_WeiDUv3 (Freedom's Reign of Virtue MiniMOD)
14. Ajoc's Minimod Weidu v1.6

15. D0QuestPack_v23
!!! Present incompatibility between BP177 Core AI and Ding0's Quest pack component "Creatures&Area Improvements" if installed after BP. These can be avoided by installing the quest pack before BP, but this will break the Quest Pack's Ascension-related components.

16. UnfinishedBusiness-v15

17. Amber-v23
18. Auren-v4
19. NPC_Tweak-v3.0
20. NPCFlirtV101
21. CrossmodBG2-v4 (New banters)
22. BG1NPC-v12Beta3

23. Plasmo_BGBG2-v1 (New portraits)
24. MoinesseAvatars-v1 <----------------------- not really sure, is it any good, can't find screens anywhere
25. 1pp-v2 (BG2 Artwork Fixpack)

26. SongAndSilence-v1
27. Improved_Horns-v1.2
28. Scriptable_Spells-v1.4

29. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems)

30. BPv177 (Big Picture) + BPv177_TOB_Fix

31. Oversight-v9
!!! Tougher Sendai component is not compatible. Avoid its installation!

32. PnPCelestials-v4
33. BP Series v3 <--------------------------- why not eSeries???
34. gMinion-v1.8

35. BG2_Tweaks-v3
36. DEFJAM_v3 (XP Fixes)
37. BP-BGT-Worldmap-v6.3


could someone experienced have a look at it and check if the order and everything is correct? this may not be the final list - i rather won't add anything, but i may delete certain items...

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 04:53 AM

13. FR_ROV_WeiDUv3 (Freedom's Reign of Virtue MiniMOD)

Needs some editing to avoid problems: http://www.shsforums...showtopic=23120

16. UnfinishedBusiness-v15

Don't install Suna Seni component - is incompatible with TS-BP.
For Boo Kidnapping component to work without problems, try using temporary fix from here

28. Scriptable_Spells-v1.4

Included in BG2 Fixpack.

29. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems)

Must be installed before 15. D0QuestPack_v23 with this mod combination.

36. DEFJAM_v3 (XP Fixes)
37. BP-BGT-Worldmap-v6.3

If you're planning to change XP settings in future, install DEFJAM after worldmap.

If you want to have original BG1 music in BGT, also install BGT GUI last; install different GUI upon completing BGT part of the game.

#32 m5000

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:19 AM

36. DEFJAM_v3 (XP Fixes)
37. BP-BGT-Worldmap-v6.3

If you're planning to change XP settings in future, install DEFJAM after worldmap.



are you sure?, i read somewhere that the worldmap must always be installed at the end

#33 Oldwolf

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:24 AM

If you open FR_ROV/BCS/Patch/AR0602 and add a Continue() in the line just after the words "Horseman's Flail", and just before the line with the word END before you install FR_ROV it will be just fine. As a matter of fact, you probably want to go through all of those bafs in the patch directory and make certain they have continue()'s too. Some of them do, some don't.

I used DLTCEP to do this and mine works just fine now.... at least so far lol I ONLY added the Continue() to the AR0602 file as I'm not a modder and haven't the foggiest idea on how to program I didnt' want to get into the problem of adding Continues where they DON'T belong :)

Edited by Oldwolf, 03 December 2006 - 05:26 AM.


#34 m5000

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 05:45 AM

ok, i'm not an extremist and decided on a minimalist approach, if there are some problesm with mods, i won't use them if i don't have to, don't feel like editting anything, i've taken into account the advice above and so here's my new list:


0. Full BG1+ToTSC+5512 patch and BG2 SOA+TOB+26498 patch

1. BG2 fixpack v1
2. SoS v1.11 (Shadows Over Soubar)
3. TDD v1.11 (The Darkest Day)

4. CtB v1.8 (Check the Bodies)
5. CtBXPFix (Experience cap patch)

6. TS-BPv6.09 (Tortured Souls)

7. RoTv2.0 (Region of Terror) + RoTv2.01_Fix

8. BGT102-Install v1.02 (Baldur's Gate Trilogy)

9. DSotSC4BGTWeidu185WM6 (Dark Side of the Sword Coast)
10. NTotSC4BGTWeidu145WM6 (Northern Tales of the Sword Coast)
11. SoBHv205FullWM6 (Secret of Bonehill)

12. Deeper Shadows of Amn
13. Ajoc's Minimod Weidu v1.6

14. Amber-v23
15. Auren-v4
16. NPC_Tweak-v3.0
17. NPCFlirtV101
18. CrossmodBG2-v4 (New banters)
19. BG1NPC-v12Beta3

20. Plasmo_BGBG2-v1 (New portraits)
21. MoinesseAvatars-v1 <----------------------------- is it worth installing??
22. 1pp-v2 (BG2 Artwork Fixpack)

23. SongAndSilence-v1
24. Improved_Horns-v1.2

25. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems)

26. D0QuestPack_v23
!!! Present incompatibility between BP177 Core AI and Ding0's Quest pack component "Creatures&Area Improvements" if installed after BP. These can be avoided by installing the quest pack before BP, but this will break the Quest Pack's Ascension-related components.

27. BPv177 (Big Picture) + BPv177_TOB_Fix

28. Oversight-v9
!!! Tougher Sendai component is not compatible. Avoid its installation!

29. PnPCelestials-v4
30. BP Series v3 <------------------- is it better than eSeries?? the same?
31. gMinion-v1.8


32. BG2_Tweaks-v3
33 or 34. DEFJAM_v3 (XP Fixes)
34 or 33. BP-BGT-Worldmap-v6.3

35. Setup-GUI.exe


how about this one? i'm slightly woried about BG1NPC-v12Beta3 because i heard it may be buggy

Edited by m5000, 03 December 2006 - 05:47 AM.


#35 ronin

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 06:23 AM

Check out this topic for compatibility issues with Fixpack and Questpack.

http://forums.gibber...?showtopic=8676

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#36 m5000

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 07:43 AM

Check out this topic for compatibility issues with Fixpack and Questpack.

http://forums.gibber...?showtopic=8676

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but when am i supposed to edit? -

1. install fixpack
2. install questpack
3. edit

or

1. install fixpack
2. edit
3. install questpack?

and what with? - will notepad be enough?

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 07:55 AM

You need to edit before you install questpack

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:14 AM

29. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems)

Must be installed before 15. D0QuestPack_v23 with this mod combination.



why so?

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:21 AM


29. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems)

Must be installed before 15. D0QuestPack_v23 with this mod combination.



why so?





Because one of the mod scripters said so.

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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:33 AM

ok, i'm not an extremist and decided on a minimalist approach, if there are some problesm with mods, i won't use them if i don't have to, don't feel like editting anything, i've taken into account the advice above and so here's my new list:


0. Full BG1+ToTSC+5512 patch and BG2 SOA+TOB+26498 patch

1. BG2 fixpack v1
2. SoS v1.11 (Shadows Over Soubar)
3. TDD v1.11 (The Darkest Day)

4. CtB v1.8 (Check the Bodies)
5. CtBXPFix (Experience cap patch)

6. TS-BPv6.09 (Tortured Souls)

7. RoTv2.0 (Region of Terror) + RoTv2.01_Fix

8. BGT102-Install v1.02 (Baldur's Gate Trilogy)

9. DSotSC4BGTWeidu185WM6 (Dark Side of the Sword Coast)
10. NTotSC4BGTWeidu145WM6 (Northern Tales of the Sword Coast)
11. SoBHv205FullWM6 (Secret of Bonehill)

12. Deeper Shadows of Amn
13. Ajoc's Minimod Weidu v1.6

14. Amber-v23
15. Auren-v4
16. NPC_Tweak-v3.0
17. NPCFlirtV101
18. CrossmodBG2-v4 (New banters)
19. BG1NPC-v12Beta3

20. Plasmo_BGBG2-v1 (New portraits)
21. MoinesseAvatars-v1 <----------------------------- is it worth installing??
22. 1pp-v2 (BG2 Artwork Fixpack)

23. SongAndSilence-v1
24. Improved_Horns-v1.2

25. scsbgt_v4.2 (Sword Coast Stratagems) Install directly after BGT v1.02

26. D0QuestPack_v23 Just don't install the AI component

27. BPv177 (Big Picture) + BPv177_TOB_Fix Edit your BPv177 .tp2 file the way the thread says before you install BPv177 and you don't need the fix.

28. Oversight-v9 (v8)
!!! Tougher Sendai component is not compatible. Avoid its installation! Just install Sendai after BP, just like you install Celestials after BP. It only patches, it doesn't overwrite!!

29. PnPCelestials-v4
30. BP Series v3 <------------------- is it better than eSeries?? the same?
31. gMinion-v1.8


32. BG2_Tweaks-v3
33 or 34. DEFJAM_v3 (XP Fixes)
34 or 33. BP-BGT-Worldmap-v6.3

35. Setup-GUI.exe


how about this one? i'm slightly woried about BG1NPC-v12Beta3 because i heard it may be buggy


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