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#1 Acrux

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 10:16 PM

I'm loving BTL. A lot. I think that Kiva and Kiyone are some great characters -- even when my PC has philosophical disagreements with them, it's very entertaining to watch the conversation.

That being said, there are a few places where I'm essentially feeling stuck. I'm not sure whether I've gathered enough evidence, and it seems as if I'm running up against dead-ends. (But perhaps they're not really dead-ends?!? :blink: )

I've had the following experiences:
  • pickpocketed some minor evidence
  • found some evidence in a desk drawer
  • Renal do some spying
  • Talked with Cromwell
After I finished talking with Cromwell, it seems to be one of those dead-ends. I saw the mini-walkthrough and did find it helpful, especially for the Dayven section. I just need more! :P

Any help? Thanks!

#2 Zyraen

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Posted 19 November 2007 - 05:36 PM

Since Renal is spying for you I assume you have the Evidence from Mae'Var's Safebox and the Letter from Rayic.

Just drop by Jermien (if you have not already done so) and you should be done for chapter 2-3. The rest of the quest only happens after you return to Brynnlaw from Spellhold.

If you want to check that you are indeed done for pre-Spellhold, just note that if you speak to Bylanna, she should grant you indefinite grace (ie no more risk or time limit of knights/guards EVER coming after you) to complete your investigation.

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#3 Porthas

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 11:44 AM

Since Renal is spying for you I assume you have the Evidence from Mae'Var's Safebox and the Letter from Rayic.

Just drop by Jermien (if you have not already done so) and you should be done for chapter 2-3. The rest of the quest only happens after you return to Brynnlaw from Spellhold.

If you want to check that you are indeed done for pre-Spellhold, just note that if you speak to Bylanna, she should grant you indefinite grace (ie no more risk or time limit of knights/guards EVER coming after you) to complete your investigation.



Enjoying the mod so far. Jermien, however, is perhaps a bug for me. I went to his house, did the usual golem quest, and he left. Is he supposed to come back? Bylanna is definitely not happy with me, I've gone and checked with her. Also, I've not been led to any desk drawers to find stuff, so I'm not sure what that is (based on the first question of this thread).

Hope you're having a good one. Thanks.
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#4 Zyraen

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 05:37 PM

Acrux : Glad things worked out after you killed Rayic (for the benefit of people following this post)

Porthas :
Don't worry, Jermien will pop up again when you need him around.
The drawer just involves going to complete the whole Mae'Var quest as you'd complete it without ANY Mods installed :) That will get you places.

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#5 Acrux

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 07:14 PM

To clarify for everyone - I had a little mix-up (not incompatibility) because I also have Quest Pack installed.

A quick tip: doublecrossing Edwin will prolong your ability to get past a particular part of the BTL.  :P

Everything is smooth sailing now, though!

#6 Porthas

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 11:25 AM

Hmmm, I got the mod that let's me not kill Rayic. So now I have to kill Rayic to get a letter? Sorry I'm so dense. Probably means I have to kill him, since that's the outcome without any mods. Crap. I was hoping to avoid killing him. I've done all the quests for Renal, and killed Maevar got the stuff out of the safe, not sure what's in a drawer. I'll look around.

I went to Cromwell and talked to him. I also got the evidence against the one dude in the prison and I guess he was imprisoned or is being investigated since he's no longer in the prison. :wacko:
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#7 Zyraen

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 05:43 PM

There's nothing in a drawer, only in the Safe. That's all you need.

And yes, go kill him.

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#8 ryuken

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 05:19 AM

To clarify for everyone - I had a little mix-up (not incompatibility) because I also have Quest Pack installed.

A quick tip: doublecrossing Edwin will prolong your ability to get past a particular part of the BTL. :P

Everything is smooth sailing now, though!

I'm having a slight problem here. I have the Saerileth mod installed and when initially doing the Maevar quests (before ever being approached by Kiyone) and being asked to murder Rayic by Edwin, she got pissed off and left when I killed him. So I then installed the Shadow Thief Improvements component of QP to get around this which worked fine, though I never bothered luring Edwin to Rayic, I only tricked Edwin into thinking he was dead and left it at that.

The problem is that now I'm working on Kova's case, Rayic has no new dialogues concerning it only 3 dialogues concerning Edwin. So I decide to lure Edwin there and see if that changes anything but it doesn't. Rayic just says"leave me alone" and if you try talking again he goes hostile, and upon killing him Saerileth leaves. So I tried to pickpocket him but even with my skill being buffed up to 170 it failed every time, so naturally he goes hostile and again Saerileth leaves.

Although this isn't really a compatability issue, more of a roleplay choice between Kova's case and Saerileth's morals, it is annoying nonetheless. I had considered unistalling the QP component but I don't really know what effect that will have on the situation. I believe spawning Rayic's evidence with the console will work fine (I think "RayNote" is the appropriate item) but then I'll miss out on any dialogue.

So is there any way to do this without killing Rayic? Thanks in advance, and I'm really enjoying the mod so far, great work.

#9 Zyraen

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 06:53 AM

As far as I know, no ^^;; it was written to be built around completing the Mae'var route normally, I did not make any story-arc contingencies for any side mods.

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#10 ryuken

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 07:46 AM

Ok thanks for the fast reply, when I spawn Rayic's evidence the dialogue between Kova and Kiyone ensues so everything should be ok. Any idea why Rayic couldn't be pickpocketed? Is it BTL, QP, or is he just hard to pp in th vanilla game? Thanks again.

#11 Zyraen

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 07:52 AM

Frankly, I haven't the least idea about if he's hard to pickpocket, usually I just kill him. You could try force spawning his note, but from what I recall of BTL is that unless Rayic is dead, Kiyone will not initiate the conversation that will lead you to that clue being "fulfilled"

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#12 ryuken

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 08:05 AM

It worked when I used the console to spawn it, the conversation happened and I was led to Jermien off whom I recieved more evidence, or have I missed something out?

#13 Zyraen

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Posted 20 January 2008 - 09:52 AM

Ah cool :) glad it worked then, then you don't have to kill him.

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#14 ryuken

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Posted 06 February 2008 - 08:41 AM

Ok now I have horrendous problems which are sort of related.

In Chapter 3 I joined with the Radiant Heart to fight against Bodhi (part of the Saerileth mod) and they gave me passage to Spellhold.

Now I'm in Chapter 6 and I'm approached by Gaelen who tells me to go and meet Renal. I meet with Renal who tells me about Seida and her blade and how I need to get Aran's help. At this point I'm also approached by a shadow thief saying Aran wants to meet with me (I think this is part of the Vanilla game where he gives you help in taking down Bodhi).

Now the problems start: Since I never joined the Shadow Thieves in Chapter 3, as far as they are concerned it still is Chapter 3. I can't access the main guild gue to a lack of the key you originally get from Gaelen upon paying the 15000 in chapter 3. So I went to see him and perhaps pickpocket him but his dialogues are to do with joining the guild in the first place or handing over Kova. If I choose to join then it takes me back to chapter 3 and I get the cut scene of Irenicus taking over Spellhold (though most of the characters in that scene including Irenicus are absent) so that's no good.

So I cheat in the cellar key and go to meet with Aran, but he too has his Chapter 3 dialogues and asks me to meet Mook at the docks (there are no dialogues concerning Kova or the Chapter 6 vampire problem).


At this point it feels like I'm totally screwed. Is there any way of fixing this with the Cosnole or Shadowkeeper? I wish I hadn't installed Saerileth now, she's an annoying bitch as well.

#15 Zyraen

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:56 AM

Sorry I missed this post, and no i don't see any way of fixing it off the bat. I'd suggest downloadin the Zyraen's Misc Mods from www.pocketplane.net/zyraen and installing the Uberweapon.

Then load your latest save game before Chapter 3, that should quickly get you up to par.

The other alternative is to continue from where you're at and see if you can complete chapter 3 normally.

Either way, the Uberweapon would help you immensely. It is really a very handy tool to get through things quickly without losing XP from using Ctrl-Y.

Edited by Zyraen, 15 February 2008 - 01:59 AM.

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#16 ryuken

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 02:13 PM

I started again anyway, I hated my PC and I hated Saerileth so I'm enjoying it a bit better than last time. It's not that bad since I've just done all the sidequests I missed before and not repeated the ones I had done. Thanks anyway.