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[Rabain]

If you are talking about beating up a thief who tries to pickpocket you..yes it might be a nice idea...unfortunately I think there is just one instance in the game were someone tries to pickpocket you...and i think that is scripted...and its a kid.

If you are talking about you being a thief and beating up your target so you can steal his sword, boots etc...then I don't think its possible as the game considers any form of attack as a hostile action...so as soon as you hit the target it will go hostile. Any guards etc in the vicinity will be alerted...mostly likely the entire area will go hostile. The game doesn't account for this every well.

I don't think you should be able to pickpocket armor off guards standing around...that doesn't make sense.

[Azkyroth]

If there's a way to force a pickpocket roll from a script (or, even without one, really) this could be done by "talking" to the target after knocking them unconscious and attempting to take some of their stuff; different dialogue options would correspond to attempts at stealing from different slots, which would have a chance of success (the item is transferred to your inventory by script), failure (nothing happens), or critical failure (waking them). Unfortunately, you'd have to add a dialogue for this for every person you wanted to be able to do it to, and account for every one of their items that you wanted to make stealable in the dialogue.

On the other hand, if someone decided to follow the suggestions that have been batted around for adding quests that have heavy stealth elements a la the Thief series, this might make an interesting expansion in the context of that quest...

[aVENGER]

And then there is the question of is it possible to make hostile but unconscious creatures pickpocketable?

The unpickpocketable slots and not being able to pickpocket hostile creatures are both hardcoded features of the IE. In order to accomplish something similar, you'd have to assign a special script to all characters that you want to knock out and loot which would would make them drop all of their equipment once rendered unconscious. However, I don't think that scripts are even being executed on unconscious targets, so you'd probably have to use an area script or spawn an invisible creature for that purpose.

On the other hand, if someone decided to follow the suggestions that have been batted around for adding quests that have heavy stealth elements a la the Thief series, this might make an interesting expansion in the context of that quest...

I was thinking of eventually doing something to this extent with the "Shadow Thief Improvements" component of Rogue Rebalancing, but since such changes would require a huge overhaul of the mod, that's still in early conceptual stages.

[Kulyok]

There's a quest that involves stealth in Icewind Dale, in Dorn's Deep Palace, and it's very, very annoying. Just like the Spellhold ambush, when the assassins ambush the party after Irenicus' escape.

I'm not even mentioning Oberon's estate in the first Baldur's Gate game. Irritating doesn't describe half of it. Has anyone else has actually been *afraid* of being discovered?

[Kwiat_W]

You have indeed overlooked something as there is a script action "ActionOverride()" that would allow you to force other creatures to drop theirs eq or give it to the party. I have already made such a mod for my private use. I'll look for it and post it here later.

[Kwiat_W]

So here it is.
This is how it is supposed to work... After installing this mod (you don't have to start a new game) you party members should receive special ability called "search body" (you must activate party AI for this, but you can deactivate it again later) that will allow you to force unconscious creatures to drop all their equipment to the ground (except for the items marked as critical, which should be transferred to your inventory). If you install the first component there will be a 15% chance that the creature will be awaken, if you don't, there will be a 15% chance that nothing will happen.

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Edited by Kwiat_W, 01 March 2008 - 09:06 PM.

[Kwiat_W]

Your party members are protected from this spell because I didn't see the point in robing your own party members and i thought it would be annoying that they would also lost their armour and you wouldn't be able to reequip it as long as you are in a middle of a fight. However I can remove this restriction if you want.
The crash when you try to use it on blue targets is a mystery (I have never tested it on any blue targets), but how do you make blue targets unconscious without turning them hostile???

It works only for BG2.

Edited by Kwiat_W, 21 February 2008 - 07:17 PM.

[WizWom]

We're having a discussion about how to do this over on Gibberlings 3 in the "Thief skills" discusssion. The best way I could think of was to make the override script so that if the creature is helpless, and you try to talk to it, it will give you all it's "droppable" stuff, if there is no combat going on.

it's not a great solution.

[Kwiat_W]

I can't figure it out because I cant duplicate this situation on my PC. Can you tell me who this "unconscious but blue target" is? From which mod and which version?

[WizWom]

How about sleeping people? They would be "blue but unconscious" - er, except that they are inconsistently marked as STATE_SLEEPING

[Kaeloree]

Kwiat_W, please feel free to upload your minimod to the Misc Mods category of the SHS download centre. That's exactly the sort of thing it's for

[Kwiat_W]

How about sleeping people? They would be "blue but unconscious" - er, except that they are inconsistently marked as STATE_SLEEPING

They don't cause crashes. Those that aren't marked with STATE_SLEEPING flag won't be affected at all, but those that I know of have nothing to be stolen anyway. However if there are any that have something, then I could take care of them individually.

Since normal sleeping people don't cause any crashes I'm guessing there has to be something wrong with this "uhman02", I will check it out.

[Kwiat_W]

I have figured it out and it has nothing to do with the fact that he was "blue but unconscious". The crash happens whenever a creature affected by a spell effect 264 (Drop Weapons in Panic) tries to drop an equipped item with an attack type set to "0-None" in its first extended header. Such extended headers are useless and are deleted by bg2fixpack, so you wouldn't experience those crashes playing a normal bg2 game (with bg2fixpack installed, of course). I have also noticed that some mod items have blank extended headers with an attack type set to "0-None" (5 on my current installation), so I will include my own fix to this problem and then it should be possible to play CA safely with my little mod.