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#1 Kaeloree

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Posted 28 May 2008 - 01:45 PM

There are currently two new epilogues you can get if you play with the Viconia Friendship in ToB. One is rather evil, the other is more dubious (it could be taken either way), but there is no new "good" epilogue.

You won't be able to change Viconia's outlook within the course of the game, but I'm wondering whether certain choices you've made (if you played through SoA as well) might be able to influence her after the events of ToB. Would people like to see another "neutral" Viconia ending, serving as a good one?

And finally, would people like an alternative, more "happy" ending to the default epilogue? I've seen a few people comment they were disappointed with it, and if anyone has any ideas I'm happy to write a separately installable component which will give her a new, happier ending. In Bioware-style (that is, not an extremely lengthy epilogue.)

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Posted 29 May 2008 - 12:12 PM

I say the more the better :) But what I'd really want to see is an epilogue in which Viconia becomes a priestess of PC (if he/she ascends), just as she mentions she might in the end of TOB.
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#3 Kaeloree

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Posted 29 May 2008 - 12:38 PM

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 12:22 AM

Ah I wondered where that epilogue came from - I thought it might be something to do with Ascension. :D
Yes I got the evil one although my PC didn't ascend so I wonder who she was worshipping after she ditched Shar...
I actually like the original (non-romantic) ending, though the romantic ending is a bit tragic. There's a happier romantic ending included for TN Viconia in the Edwin romance mod, oddly enough. I've not seen it though.

#5 Kaeloree

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 03:13 AM

Actually, the epilogues aren't in yet--so yes, that would have been Ascension. Vic friendship ToB will add a few more on top of those! (Actually, the Ascension ones are replacements rather than additions.)

Having spent some time rethinking the epilogue situation, I've determined to actually remove the "neutral" one as it didn't make much sense in context--but I am open to ideas for other new epilogues, if there are specific things people would like to see!

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 07:24 AM

In all honesty I preferred the old ending to the Ascension one, but hey ho. I guess it irked me (as always) the the ending implied my PC had ascended when I very rarely choose that option. So yeah, different epilogues if PC ascends or not - always a good thing.

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Posted 30 May 2008 - 02:09 PM

I did too, really. And the new epilogue will definitely differ if the PC ascends or not.

#8 Giuseppe

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 06:43 AM

And finally, would people like an alternative, more "happy" ending to the default epilogue?


Oh, no. I prefer the default epilogue. It is sad, that's true, but all the vicissitudes do not have necessarily to finish with an happy end. "We are all doomed" Xan would say.

I'm looking forward to see your epilogue - I am sure I'll like it, as the rest of the relationship :)

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 03:00 PM

I say the more the better :) But what I'd really want to see is an epilogue in which Viconia becomes a priestess of PC (if he/she ascends), just as she mentions she might in the end of TOB.


Agreed. It seems to me to be a fairly obvious move for her to make, really.

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#10 Kaeloree

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 03:03 PM

Then you'll be happy to know that she can. :)

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 01:36 AM

After seeing this thread, I'm beginning to wonder if I mixed up something.. I thought there already was a mod that was going to give Viconia a 'better ending'. Those I've got ends with either her death, or both her and the PC. Maybe I've mixed her with Sarevok.

If so, then I wouldn't mind an epilogue where Viconia can stay in a somewhat civilized relationship with the PC and have them both live to tell the tale. Tragic moments (and I do see the need for them) aside, at the end of ToB, I did consider Viconia too powerful for the followers of Lolth to deal with.
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Posted 17 February 2010 - 03:53 PM

Will the new epilogues still occur if you romance Viconia?

#13 Kaeloree

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 08:15 PM

No, the new epilogues only affect players who have a friendship with Viconia.

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:35 AM

That's a great idea, to let a female main character coach Viconia to true neutral as the males could. After all true friends are supposed to help each other toward greater goals and greater good, and in life many people know how you can be close friends with many and there does not have to be romantic involvement attached for that, so gender relationship preference could be disregarded as it is only a character friendship. In other words you don't have to have a Chloe situation, but there may not be many people in opposition to the possibility in this modern day and age even if you did.
The character Viconia has been ill treated by Drow and surfacer both, and this has only reenforced her evil outlook, hate, lack of trust, etc. After I play through SoA and ToB this time I look forward to downloading your friendship mod. I wonder if you are going to get this post, you made your mod so long ago. But if you do, please reply. I would even help you write dialogue if you would like. I do not know how to mod but I can write for you. I happen to like this character's personality. I knew there was more than a B**** within her soul since rescuing her from the Flaming Fist in BG1 (aside from the fact she follows Shar, but is this because she was only taught of Lolth), and I wanted to know her story better, so I reluctantly used the CLUA to be a male as many females of the Realms have done (so I had to put up with many comments written for males I disliked through SoA) but just seeing her change to true neutral was worth it. I always thought, why are these writers so limited in their scope as to only make this alignment change available to males? People's attitudes in life are redeemable, why not characters, which were modeled after our lives in a sense. I'll post again after I play through again with your friendship mod. It may be a few months as I have many familial resposibilities, but I enjoy Baldur's Gate and am reluctant to try other RPGs because from their desciptions, I am not sure they will match up to this excellent series!

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 07:49 AM


Ah I wondered where that epilogue came from - I thought it might be something to do with Ascension. :D
Yes I got the evil one although my PC didn't ascend so I wonder who she was worshipping after she ditched Shar...
I actually like the original (non-romantic) ending, though the romantic ending is a bit tragic. There's a happier romantic ending included for TN Viconia in the Edwin romance mod, oddly enough. I've not seen it though.


I agree they could have worked on this more, why such a tragic ending for a woman who has decided not to be evil?? The main character and Viconia should have been powerful enough at this point to build a life strong against such threats. I thought maybe, why not have an ending where Viconia and her friend attempt to build a society for exiled Drow like herself and like leftover Bhaalspawn like the guy from Trademeet and Saradush who I cast horror on to let him escape from Saradush. I am happy I did not get a rep pt for that because she was still NE and she would have left!

#16 Kaeloree

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Posted 29 December 2010 - 02:44 PM

I'm afraid I don't think I'll be adding any more dialogue to the Viconia friendship at this point--as you said, it's been a while, and I'm quite happy with the mod as it is. Thank you very much for your feedback, though, and I hope you enjoy the mod. :)