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[Ilmatar]

As fas as I know - I'm just another player, not the creator or writer or anything - leaving the game paused doesn't help a thing. The time in the game matters, not time in the real world. So leave the game unpaused! Also try different areas, try sleeping and those sort of things. As I remember it, Edwin's talks take a pretty long time to trigger. Also Edwin is the kind of a guy who doesn't like it if your reputation is too good. If it's over 16, he'll leave the party. So keep it under 16 or use the Shadowkeeper to lower it.

[Minarvia]

As fas as I know - I'm just another player, not the creator or writer or anything - leaving the game paused doesn't help a thing. The time in the game matters, not time in the real world. So leave the game unpaused! Also try different areas, try sleeping and those sort of things. As I remember it, Edwin's talks take a pretty long time to trigger. Also Edwin is the kind of a guy who doesn't like it if your reputation is too good. If it's over 16, he'll leave the party. So keep it under 16 or use the Shadowkeeper to lower it.

Well, for me pausing the game does work as I play pretty quickly. And I could swear that the reputation question was asked elsewhere in this forum and Laufey said that if the romance was active Eddie won't leave the party. As for your romance...I'm trying to think of why it isn't progressing after the change back to normal. Are you in a romance with another npc? Say, is Tsujatha or Kelsey or Solaufein in your party, for example? Some people have run into this thinking that ER didn't know they were there, so to speak. After he changes back to normal, rest at an inn. The next LT should take place beginning with him saying something like..."I am myself again! I can scarce believe it! And I must admit that I have you to thank, Charname..."

[Ilmatar]

As fas as I know - I'm just another player, not the creator or writer or anything - leaving the game paused doesn't help a thing. The time in the game matters, not time in the real world. So leave the game unpaused! Also try different areas, try sleeping and those sort of things. As I remember it, Edwin's talks take a pretty long time to trigger. Also Edwin is the kind of a guy who doesn't like it if your reputation is too good. If it's over 16, he'll leave the party. So keep it under 16 or use the Shadowkeeper to lower it.

Well, for me pausing the game does work as I play pretty quickly. And I could swear that the reputation question was asked elsewhere in this forum and Laufey said that if the romance was active Eddie won't leave the party.

Really? Well I'll be damned. I've been living in a lie.

[Minarvia]

Really? Well I'll be damned. I've been living in a lie.

Well, , maybe I'm delusional! But I swear they worked for me! Except of course, where the LT's were tied to events, such as for the poster above.
Verinya, tell us if your game is going alright now, okay?

[Arlaya]

Well, , maybe I'm delusional! But I swear they worked for me! Except of course, where the LT's were tied to events, such as for the poster above.
Verinya, tell us if your game is going alright now, okay?

For me too, after all of my problems I waited on pause for love talks to see if it is all right

By the way, I've got one question, if You mentioned Tsujatha... When I have joined him to the party, Eddie's romance was stuck. Is that the way things usually goes?

[Minarvia]

By the way, I've got one question, if You mentioned Tsujatha... When I have joined him to the party, Eddie's romance was stuck. Is that the way things usually goes?

Sigh...yes. I have to branch off games in order to complete both romances. You can only go so far with both of them together and then branch off of get rid of one when the romance of your choice is about to become 'committed.' I have only played Eddie for some time but I just wondered if the poster above didn't realize that the romances would 'recognize' the other. But I'm thinking that maybe she didn't realize that the LT after Eddie becomes normal again is triggered by resting.

[Star Dragonmaiden]

On reputation...I think a script was added to the mod to keep Eddie from leaving if your reputation gets to high. For example, I romanced Eddie with a reputation of twenty (I play a paladin).

[Arlaya]

It's strange, I had both of them in the party and continue romances, being nice to Anomen, etc. Then comes that LT when Anomen says you must chose between them, I, of course, choosed Eddie and everything went well, Anomen just shutted up. I've also had an reputation at 16 with the Happy Group mod installed.

About this Globals, Shadowkeeper, whatever, I can say nothing, unfortunately...

[Laufey]

Hi Verinya! Reputation is not a problem, as long as the romance is active you can have 20 rep and Edwin will still love you. From the romance variables, I can see that Edwin's romance is still active, and Anomen's isn't, so that's not the problem. I'm afraid I cannot tell just exactly is causing the delay though. It might be easiest to restore to a game before Edwina's transformation back to Edwin, if waiting doesn't do the trick. Or I can ask Nebukad to have a look at your problem next time I mail him, but that may be a little while. Also try resting at an inn if you haven't already - I don't remember if the following lovetalk is one of them, but some lovetalks are triggered by that.

Edited by Laufey, 15 January 2006 - 10:26 AM.

[Minarvia]

Verinya, just another thought...do you have the Ease of Use mod installed? I just remembered that there is a warning somewhere on this forum to NOT install the Female Edwina part of it as that can mess things up.
Also, yes, resting at an inn once or twice after Eddie is himself again triggers the LT. You chose him over Anomen, tho, so that sounds like you have rested...did you get to have that first kiss with Eddie yet??

[Minarvia]

Verinya, I'm so sorry! I hope the new game helps. But from what you said about Trawl saying "Sir" to Anomen it sounds like a bad install. Try uninstalling and then reinstalling. Make sure you have TOB installed as well. I once had your problem and that cleared it up for me.
About the timing of the LT's, they occur about every 30 minutes. I believe the "cheat" for speeding up the ones that don't occur after given events is CLUAConsole:SetGlobal("EdwinRomance", "GLOBAL", 1)
Degarden is weird; he usually doesn't appear in Athkatla, but I have seen him spawn inside the Thieves Guild and Nalia's Keep and even once in the Graveyard. I myself lately go to Spellhold right after Edwina's talk about "this business of being female" and just pause the game to let him appear on Brynlaw. Then by the time I do all the Asylum and Underdark Stuff Eddie is ready to be encountered by Degarden the 2nd time after we return to Amn. (That way you don't miss a cute banter between Eddie and Imoen after the first kiss.)
I hope this helps, but Laufey knows more than I do. Good luck and let us know how things go.

[Verinya]

The problem seems a bit more bigger than I thought....

I tried the last two days everything to make the romance progress... but it won't!

Well, as I said I started a new game. But I didn't want to wait that long and play all the hours all over again, so I speeded things up. I used that CLUAConsole Code (thanks Minarvia ), get the Netherscroll and spawned Degardan.
.... then rested. ..... and it happended: nothing.....
I rested more often, tried to change the location, waitet, did this and that.... nothig but silence

That's really strage! Then I unistalled and reinstalled the mod twice or trice - downloaded it again, istalled again... nothing. I tried to set all EDWIN-Codes in Shadowkeeper to another number, but he remains silent...*uff*.....

EDWINLOVETALKCHECK is at 29
EDWINROMANCENETHERSCROLL at 2

Is that correct?

Could it be, that I'm simply in the wrong chapter ? I'm now in chapter 3, freeing Imoen. And when exactly will Edwin talk after Degardan? Immediatly after killing him and rest? Or have I to rest at a particular inn?

If it's helpful I can post every EDWIN... entrys from Shadowkeeper before and after Degardan.

@Minarvia: Thanks for your advice! Had been really helpfull Well I haven't installed the game new, because in a few days I receive a new PC... Think that's best if I wait till I have it, than install everything new.... maybe the problem is solved with that . Hope so.

Oh, by the way: The code for Degardan spawning is
CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("DEGARD")

maybe that's a help for someone

Well than, if something should change I'll post it immediatly

Bye

[Minarvia]

Hmmm...let's wait for the people who know more about coding than I do. What I CAN tell you is - after Eddie is changed back to normal all you have to do is rest somewhere. I have rested at the Keep, The CC, and even the Five Flagons and ALWAYS I got the LT where he beings by saying "I...I"m myself again..." etc.
Now, you aren't romancing someone else? Say, Anomen, Kelsey, Valygar, Tsujatha, Chloe, Solaufein? ER is coded to recognize other romances.
Hmmm...I've NEVER had to spawn Degarden. I just set my game on 'pause' and the LT's always happened.
Did you get the LT with Edwina asking for a personal item? If not, I wondered if you used the CLUA too much. I hope I'm helping a little. But I'm afraid we'll need Dorotea or Laufey.

[Kulyok]

Well, as I said I started a new game. But I didn't want to wait that long and play all the hours all over again, so I speeded things up. I used that CLUAConsole Code (thanks Minarvia ), get the Netherscroll and spawned Degardan.

... which is probably the worst thing you could have done. Edwin's love talks are tied to these events, and triggering them via console instead of playing them is a BAD idea. The right variables are not set, and the romance is screwed.

Really, there're just twenty-something love talks with a 45-minutes' timer. You could play them over a weekend.

1) Kill Maevar with Edwin in the party. With Edwin standing close to you.
2) Don't go to the Graveyard district unless Edwin tells you to.
3) Once you get the scroll, go outside. Sleep. Sleep again and again.
4) He tells you about his revelations. Sleep again and again, until the transformation kicks in.
5) Walk around with him as normal, just pop in and out of Athkatla from time to time. Degardan *will* spawn, and will spawn twice.
(Once - after the first Edwina love talk, once - after Edwina asks you for your... um... nevermind. You'll see.)
6) Once he is back to normal, you'll have several more lovetalks and a VERY difficult quest. When you need help for your quest (and you *will* need it, trust me), return.

[Verinya]

Ok, I did it B)

I mean I installed BG2 completly new. Startet a new game with new character. No DebugMode-thing, no CLUA-thing, nothing
No old save-games. Let's see if it'll work.

@Minarvia: The first time Degardan took long to spawn. About 3 weeks(ingame). Well I didn't mind, because I thought that's normal (I have been nearly all the time outside of Atkatla!!). I just wondered that he suddenly appeared in Helm's temple, and than spawned again a minute later in Lathander's temple...

I just romanced Anomen. No one else... but that shouldn't be a problem, I thought.

Hmmm.... personal item ?? no, haven't had kind of that LT.. .. but you don't talk from the LT where (s)he asks you about "the matter beeing a woman" and where she wants to know which kind of man you prefer, do you?? The last LT I had was after Degardan appeared the first time. Where you ask her to be your friend.


@Kulyok: Thanks for the tips. Normally I don't use any cheats. I hate that. And I never used any CLUA-Codes in my "old" game - because of which I opened this thread. Everthing went all right - till Degardan appeared, and changed him back! After that Edwin stopped talking.

So I started a new game and speeded the romance up.... well, as you said, not very clever. Seems that I made it much more worse with that.


Hope that the reinstallation helps.
I'll be immediatly back if something happens!!

I just have to learn&work very much the next few days, so don't wonder if I'll take a little while

cu

[Star Dragonmaiden]

Ok, I did it B)

Hmmm.... personal item ?? no, haven't had kind of that LT.. .. but you don't talk from the LT where (s)he asks you about "the matter beeing a woman" and where she wants to know which kind of man you prefer, do you?? The last LT I had was after Degardan appeared the first time. Where you ask her to be your friend.

I believe there is one more LT before Eddie is changed back where he(she?) asks for something from you. Please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Minarvia]

From Stardragonmaiden -
I believe there is one more LT before Eddie is changed back where he(she?) asks for something from you. Please, anyone, correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are right. Edwina asks for a personal item. Verinya, if you see this, just don't romance Anomen until the "committed stage," and you should be all right. Edwina will ask for a personal item and then there follows a little discussion about trust between Charname and Edwina during that talk. After that LT is where Degarden returns. There may be time between those two events, of course. In my games I'm just returning from the Underdark so much time has passed and those two events may have been waiting to crop up, so to speak, so for me they happened one right after the other. As I emerge from the Underdark I get the final Edwina LT and as soon as I head back towards Athkatla Degarden appears.
Wow, he spawned twice for you in the Temple District? That's kind of weird. Maybe he felt he needed divine backup!
Anyway, good luck and thanks for keeping us posted.