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[Salk]

Hello, Ascension64!

I have noticed that there must be something wrong with the Proficiencies and I don't know at the moment if it might depend on the BG2 Fixpack or if it's BGT.

However, I created two characters:

The first is a F/M/C with Proficiency in Flail (2 stars), Mace (1 star) and Sword&Shield Style (1 star)

The second is a Skald with Proficiency in Crossbow (1 star) and Two-handed weapons Style (1 star)

For the first one, if I equip the Sling (which has its own category), I get no penalty (THAC0 remains the same).

For the second one, if I equip a Short Bow, there is a THAC0 improvement like if she was specialized with it.

I had only BG2 Fixpack (all components installed) and BGT 1.04 just to make sure that other mods couldn't be interfering.

Can you please run a small test yourself and tell me if you can duplicate it?

Thanks!

P.S. Since I have two OS, I can run more tests for you if you like, Ascension64. Just say the word...

Edited by Salk, 05 July 2007 - 04:05 AM.

[Ascension64]

I'll have a look for you when I get the time, but do remember that BGT-WeiDU v1.04 doesn't touch most items. And for that matter, proficiencies aren't touched either.

[Salk]

I'll try to remove completely the BG2 Fixpack then and see if things change. Then I'll update this very post to let you know. Thanks!

[Salk]

After testing a clean BGT installation, I can say that the problem remains.

I created a Fighter and choose different weapon proficiencies not including Sling or Bows.

Upon equipping the Sling or a Bow, I obtain a THAC0 18 with an improvement of the base THAC0 of 1 point (specialization level).

Please, somebody tell me if I am just being dumb here. When I equip other Melee weapons I am not proficient with, I get a THAC0 of 21 instead.

UPDATE: It does seem like BGT does not apply the penalty for non proficiency to Range Weapons. My test fighter with no bonus (STR 10 DEX 10) had his Thaco stable to 20 while equipping bows and slings. The penalty applies regularly to melee weapons instead.

Edited by Salk, 05 July 2007 - 06:03 AM.

[Ascension64]

Can you check whether vanilla BG2:ToB gives you this problem as well?

[Salk]

Your suspicions seem to have found confirmation. Unless I am not counting in some bonus or anything like that, I would say that this bug is also present in Baldur's Gate 2 vanille (official patch only).

But now I really doubt myself. How would it be possible that nobody else ever reported something so obvious?

UPDATE: I posted about this at the BG2 Fixpack Forum. Let's see if somebody can confirm it or not...

Edited by Salk, 06 July 2007 - 03:16 AM.

[Ascension64]

OK, so is this 'vanilla' BG2:ToB just an 'uninstallation' of BGT-WeiDU, or did you completely uninstall and re-install BG2:ToB?

[Salk]

It was a simple new installation of Throne of Bhaal (with latest patch) on a second computer of mine.

[CamDawg]

Definitely in the base game, and something else for item makes to worry about:

[Azazello]

Ha! Salk comes thru again, despite all skepticism. Sort of like the high schooler who proved that Newton used '10', and not '9.8', in his calculations on gravity.

Congratulations.

[Ascension64]

I didn't understand your jest.

[Salk]

I take it as a compliment...