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[Lollorian]

First off, I was, still am and always will be a fan of your avatar fixes and paperdolls

They were (for me atleast) the most profound and beautiful change in the game in my last installation using the BWP6, coming a very close second to the fact that you could play BGI in BGII now

But in my latest BWP8 installation, I have a minor problem/glitch/bug with the shields in the avatars and paperdolls. The inventory bams for all the shields got changed alright

1. Small Shields -> Rounded
2. Medium -> Upper square, lower taper
3. Large -> Rectangular

but the paperdolls and avatar bams didn't get changed and remain the same. More specifically, ...

1. Medium Shield and +1 have the vanilla BGII rough and curvy triangular with 2 spikes paperdoll and avatar bam
2. Large Shield and +1 have the vanilla BGII rough oval with 2 "wing-like things" on top in the avatar ... Paperdoll's rectangular though

I also noticed that only vanilla shields seem to be affected, I got a Knight's Shield +1 (Medium Shield) and it had the BGI paperdoll AND avatar bam. And bucklers and small look like BGI too (vanilla ones too)

This is my playthrough thread with my WeiDU.log and a changelog of the 3 shields here. Feel free to ask for any more changelogs/DEBUGs/attachments as you may need

Thanks,
Lol

[Mike1072]

As the 1PPv2 component assigns icons and colours based on the vanilla items, it shouldn't be installed on top of IR's main component. I believe IR includes some of 1PPv2's changes to items along with its custom adjustments, but you'd have to check with Demi for details.

If you experience any similar inconsistencies using only IR, please let Demi and I know.

[Lollorian]

So, if I can understand right (which I mostly don't ) ItemRev includes 1pp's shield bams and patches them into the game when it gets installed (almost at the beginning) ... Then when 1pp itself gets installed, it patches the ItemRev-modified-shields to revert back to BGII vanilla bams???

But, shouldn't 1pp repatching the files have no effect on their already-1ppified () bams?? And this post mentions that there should be no install order problems with the new patcher version of 1pp (albeit it doesn't mention shields but I take it they were updated to "patch" as well )

Cheers,
Lol

[Mike1072]

Some IR shields have different animations (icons + paperdolls/avatars) than in vanilla, since using the beta 1PP shield animations allows for a greater selection of shield shapes. So, if a mod assigns one of these shields a new icon while expecting it to be as it is in the vanilla game, the icon may end up not matching the paperdoll/avatar. Short version: 1PP doesn't know what IR is doing.

I'll see if I can get Demi in here to say exactly which item patches from 1PPv2 are/aren't included in IR to see if the components could ever be conceptually compatible.

[Demivrgvs]

So, if I can understand right (which I mostly don't ) ItemRev includes 1pp's shield bams and patches them into the game when it gets installed (almost at the beginning) ... Then when 1pp itself gets installed, it patches the ItemRev-modified-shields to revert back to BGII vanilla bams???

Yep, something like that.

But, shouldn't 1pp repatching the files have no effect on their already-1ppified () bams??

No because it patches the items without being able to know what IR does to each item. For example Reflection Shield is not a small shield anymore, it's a buckler, and it not only uses 1PP new animation and bam, but also uses a different inventory icon, and a different color palette.

If you ask me overwriting IR changes would actually be better than patching it, because at least the end result would be what Erephine wanted instead of a mess.

I'd say everything concerning animation, bams, icons, and so on regarding shields should be better handled within IR and IR alone, but I'll discuss it with Mike.

[Lollorian]

I'd say everything concerning animation, bams, icons, and so on regarding shields should be better handled within IR and IR alone, but I'll discuss it with Mike.

I'd probably agree with that as well .. but, since IR gets installed pretty early in the BWP, won't mod items and shields AFTER IR remain unaffected?? And if 1PP were to be installed after IR anyway, (to change the megamod items) won't the same problem recur??

Imho, a solution could be to let 1PP check for IR and promptly skip the already-1ppified-through-IR (try saying that ) items and only patch those that aren't patched by IR's 1PP components. Btw, is IR the only mod that uses these great bams?? 1PP could check for all the mods that use its components and adjust itself ... (probably a lotta work though )

Btw, why do I get the feeling that this is an isolated case? Hasn't anybody noticed this before or did everyone think this was a "feature"??

Cheers,
Lol

[Lollorian]

Hmm, I thought I'd also mention the "other" paperdoll quirk I noticed ... It seems the paperdolls for helmets for Humans don't match the paperdolls for Half-Elves and Halflings (yet to encounter an NPC from another race )

Now, for some screenshots

The Helmet I took is the "War Helm" (MAHELM01.itm) from DarkHorizons ... Didn't find any other curvy helms


Pic 0000 -> Shows Minsc wearing the helm ... Nothing unusual ... unless you see what happens to the others

Pic 0001 -> Here we have Khalid with the same helm, notice the curvy helm paperdoll And for completeness sake, I included the shield bam to show how mod Medium shields are unaffected by the paperdoll change

Pic 0002 -> Here's Montaron with the same helm, same curvy paperdoll (makes me wonder why humans don't have the curviness ) ... And here's his Large Shield +1 (vanilla item) ... Nothing unusual until ...

Pic 0003 -> Here's Monty's avatar, same items as Pic 0003. Look at the shield and helm ... The shield is vanilla BGII's Large shield bam while the helm looks like Minsc's paperdoll helm (so i guess humans had the right paperdoll after all )

Other helms tried also give similar results ... The paperdolls and avatars match for humans but go pretttty off for Monty and Khalid

EDIT: Now that I've understood how to directly post images (courtesy Jarno ) Showing another helm (the one carried by Doom Guards)

Order same as above: Minsc, Khalid (check out the shield bam and paperdoll) and Monty



Now, showing avatars ... Khalid. Notice that the helm looks like Minsc's paperdoll ... and the shield matches the paperdoll but not the item bam.


and Khalid wielding the yellow Medium Shield from above (from Aurora's Mod)



In conclusion everything can be summarized as:

• Shields
  • Medium Shields - Item bams don't match paperdolls and avatars
    
  • Large Shields - Item bams and paperdolls don't match avatars
• Helms
  • Paperdolls match item bams for Half-Elves and Halflings, but don't match avatars
    
  • Paperdolls match avatars for Humans, but not the item bams

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 26 September 2009 - 06:27 AM.

[Erephine]

Same issue, it's a different mod using work-in-progress content I posted ages ago

The large shields always display like they do in the original game, because I haven't made new content for them.

[Lollorian]

Same issue, it's a different mod using work-in-progress content I posted ages ago

Would that be ItemRev or DarkHorizons?? Is there any way to check which mods "include" 1PP content??

The large shields always display like they do in the original game, because I haven't made new content for them.

I could've sworn I saw rectangular shield avatars in my BWP6 install Maybe i was mesmerized by all the new content

Btw: lookie lookie seems like I'm not the only one

I also have a discussion going on in the IR forums btw

Cheers,
Lol

Edited by Lollorian, 07 October 2009 - 08:24 AM.