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[SConrad]

Please, serious submission only. We all know that Golems and Ao are asexual, and female drows never self-indulge.

But that's what would make it so interesting!

[Grunker]

Excuse me, did I stumble into the ReCreation room? Sorry... No, it was 'Mod Ideas'... I wonder, how can you be so on-topic yet so off-topic at the same time

[AnnabelleRose]

Sewage golems with strap-on "naughty bits" shows more promise then the original idea pitched on this thread.


@ Ggib Eht: Can we be lovers?

[Vlad]

I've never seen more relaxing place than New Reno in Fallout 2. Girls, cazinos, porno movies, boxing, eventually get yourself Bishop's daughter and wife and rape them as much as you want drinking booze and breathing jet.

[AnnabelleRose]

<serious>

Can we steer away from the whole r@pe bit?

I'd hate to have to use my forum mod powers and lock/move as needed.

This assumes SConrad does not veto this descision, naturally. I'll abide by what he decides.

</serious>

[Delight]

I've never seen more relaxing place than New Reno in Fallout 2. Girls, cazinos, porno movies, boxing, eventually get yourself Bishop's daughter and wife and rape them as much as you want drinking booze and breathing jet.

I didn't know that a consensual sex after being seduced is a rape too .

Ahh, you're all so decent here! biggrin.gif Why not the PC becaming berserk and r@ping all his/her party? Only imagine what the NPCs will say on that! ROFL.gif (Jan - Ouch! That reminds me of old days, when Uncle Scratchy went adventuring and... so on...) ROFL.gif

That would be rather unimaginable.

Edited by Delight, 01 May 2006 - 03:22 AM.

[SConrad]

Ahh, you're all so decent here! Why not the PC becaming berserk and r@ping all his/her party? Only imagine what the NPCs will say on that! (Jan - Ouch! That reminds me of old days, when Uncle Scratchy went adventuring and... so on...)

Harmless fun and pun is one thing, but this is too far.

You're all free to continue with the joking and general childishness I've myself been a part of in this thread, but if the r-word is mentioned again, it's a whole new ball-game. MTS specifically asked this a few posts ago, and I hope his warning will be listened to.

[Delight]

R-word?

BTW.
It was a serious thread about torture and suffering of <CHARNAME>.
I find jesting in such serious thread offensive.
Could someone move posts starting from that post to other, less serious topic?

Edited by Delight, 01 May 2006 - 04:56 AM.

[Bill Bisco]

Truthfully, I think it would add very little to the game. It only further lessens the audience and you don't get much out of it. Perhaps fantasy can sometimes be unrealistic but that's why it's fantasy. Some realistic things that happen shouldn't happen. I don't like to dream up and think of ways to hurt people and then try to tell it creatively on top of all of that. The Dwarf that tortures that man in The Thief Stronghold is too much for even me.

But, this is a modding community so I guess you can do whatever you want.

PS: There is a reason that the original developers never went into more detail about torture ect: It hurts the game

[Grim Squeaker]

The thing is, even if I did like the idea of harcore torture descriptions I don't see the point in putting them in. The torture is the prologue (infact mainly before the prologue). All we need to know is that you've been tortured and Imoen tells you the rest, which is slightly creepier from her point of view rather than descriptions of what you feel. Also those quick cuts to torture implements in the opening movie imply enough that you don't need descriptions.

If the torture happened halfway through and was some enormous turning point in the plot maybe I could see the reason to add more depth to the moment than a simple cutscene. However, the way the BG2 plot goes you don't need any more than what there is in the prologue cutscene/movie.

Edited by Grim Squeaker, 01 May 2006 - 12:23 PM.

[Delight]

Frankly, I think that the prologue sucks.
Beginning with Bioware deciding for player that ey has taken with Jaheira, Khalid, Immy and Minsc em and that ey was SFLing through whole game to keep them alive and ending with stupid cutscene in which Irenicus casts flashy spells on <CHARNAME> and <CHARNAME> moans like in sexual intercourse.

Quick cuts to torture implements in the opening movie were creepy but they actually didn't suggest anything other than the fact that Irenicus posessed medical equipment. There is a huge difference between seeing few knives and feeling their cuts or having effects of those cuts described by narrator.
Otherwise people would be traumatised and scarred for a life because they saw a bunch of kitchen knives.

Truthfully, I think it would add very little to the game. It only further lessens the audience and you don't get much out of it.

I disagree. It would show people what <CHARNAME> and Immy really went through and would help player in roleplaying <CHARNAME> correctly. Of course "0MG 1 JUST W4NT 4DVenTUr3S & QW3STs11!!!11! LOLOLOL!1!1" people wouldn't like it, but they aren't very important to me anyway .

Perhaps fantasy can sometimes be unrealistic but that's why it's fantasy.

You seem to mistake realism with attention to details.

Some realistic things that happen shouldn't happen.

Why?

The Dwarf that tortures that man in The Thief Stronghold is too much for even me.

I was too busy exterminating evil to notice such things .
For example when I saw what they are doing in Copper Coronet I've slaughtered all responsible for slavery including nobles and other scum .

PS: There is a reason that the original developers never went into more detail about torture ect: It hurts the game

Nope. It enhances the game for true hardcore players. It hurst the business, because they want to sell games to clueless kids and people who don't care about the story and roleplaying.

Edited by Delight, 01 May 2006 - 12:46 PM.

[pro5]

And who said that Irenicus did torture CHARNAME, in the first place? Sure, he did cast some nasty (and painful) spells during his experiments, but I think physical torture is not what the original story had in mind. Irenicus is interested in getting your soul, and this is not done by cutting your fingers or ears off.

As far as I remember, Imoen never said Irenicus tortured "her" (if we're speaking about original game, and forget about Imoen Romance mod which suggests she was r...ed by a duergar while in Irenicus's dungeon). Irenicus made her watch him torturing and killing others - Khalid, in particular.

[Delight]

(Checks Immy's dialogs.)
Nope.
Imoen explictly states that she and charname will have some scars from Irenicus's knives.

[pro5]

(Checks Immy's dialogs.)
Nope.
Imoen explictly states that she and charname will have some scars from Irenicus's knives.

You're right, I've dug up this:
"For the knives, probably. The knives... he has a lot of them... I'm going to have a couple of scars from this... looks like you will too."

but this is the only bit that suggests player and immy were hurt physically or tortured! And those "couple scars" could be just that Irenicus needed some drops of their blood, as component for one of his "experimental" spells!

Edited by pro5, 01 May 2006 - 02:39 PM.

[SimDing0]

Excuse me, did I stumble into the ReCreation room? Sorry... No, it was 'Mod Ideas'...

Yes, you're correct. Were this the Recreation Room, someone would have deleted the thread by now.

[Azkyroth]

I think that a mod that would add tortures as a serie of cutscenes with verbose descriptions of tortures and some possible responses would portray the subject better.

What we really need is more sex descriptions.

Heh. I suppose I can oblige the two of you. And I know exactly who to have write the descriptions, too... ;/

Quick cuts to torture implements in the opening movie were creepy but they actually didn't suggest anything other than the fact that Irenicus posessed medical equipment. There is a huge difference between seeing few knives and feeling their cuts or having effects of those cuts described by narrator.
Otherwise people would be traumatised and scarred for a life because they saw a bunch of kitchen knives.

Forcing people to use their imaginations does sometimes cause certain people's skulls to explode (a bonus, if you ask me), but it's a much more effective tactic than hitting the audience over the head with a "one-size-fits-all" explicit "bad" thing.

I was too busy exterminating evil to notice such things .
For example when I saw what they are doing in Copper Coronet I've slaughtered all responsible for slavery including nobles and other scum .

You'll very much appreciate Arkalian's quest then. ^.^

And who said that Irenicus did torture CHARNAME, in the first place? Sure, he did cast some nasty (and painful) spells during his experiments, but I think physical torture is not what the original story had in mind. Irenicus is interested in getting your soul, and this is not done by cutting your fingers or ears off.

You didn't see everything that happened; Irenicus explicitly says "it is time for [u}more[/u] experiments." For all you know right before the protagonist passed out before the game start cutscene Irenicus had them on a block with a hood over them and wires attached to their wrists...

As far as I remember, Imoen never said Irenicus tortured "her" (if we're speaking about original game, and forget about

.... Will someone either delete that or put a largish spoiler warning on it? While that's not quite as bad as standing in a crowded square and yelling "SNAPE KILLS--" ...

You're right, I've dug up this:
"For the knives, probably. The knives... he has a lot of them... I'm going to have a couple of scars from this... looks like you will too."

but this is the only bit that suggests player and immy were hurt physically or tortured! And those "couple scars" could be just that Irenicus needed some drops of their blood, as component for one of his "experimental" spells!

"Just like old times...well, except for the torture and all..." -Imoen's "happy" line

Edited by Azkyroth, 01 May 2006 - 04:06 PM.

[AnnabelleRose]

Annoying post after the warning has been removed.

Nothing personal about your post, Grim. Sorry to remove it, just did it because it quoted the old one.

/off-topic

Now as for the mod idea, I am against anything that prolongs the opening. If I wanted to read descriptions of torture, I'd read fan-fic (allthough most of it is torture to read...).

I play games like BG2 for the action/adventures/quests.