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[Alarielle]

I'm refering to your self-righterous contempt toward the description of negative aspects of reality of fantasy worlds.
I'm asking what the hell is wrong with you because I find it damn offensive.

I think you're missing the point. The word 'gratuitous', in case you didn't know, implies that the description would be excessive in its detail and therefore unnecessary. I don't see how you could be upset by someone not wanting something that is surplus to requirements.

[Delight]

Oh. I didn't know.

Grim Squeaker -> I have misreaded your intentions. I'm sorry.

I've only stated in this thread that I think that in-depth descriptions of Charname's torture wouldn't add a lot to the game, as I feel that the imagination provides all that is necessary.

I never said that the description should be excessive in details.
IIRC it was you who came with "Irenicus slices your cock in half" descriptions, not me.

The section you quoted however was not addressed at you, nor was it to do with your precious little debate.

You adressed your previous post about 'gratuitous descriptions' to me and I was reffering to your use of this term in general.

I was referring to the fact that were Irenicus to offer Charname the choice of which of Khalid and Jaheira died (as a form of emotional and psychological torture) it would best be implemented with well written dialogue of the NPCs' reactions as opposed to detailed descriptions of Irenicus performing the act in question.

And why a well written dialogue along with descriptions of Irenicus performing the act would be inferior to a well written dialogue without description?

When I would have to choice between a game that has dialogues without descriptions (BG1/BG2) and a game with dialogues with descriptions (PS:T) I would choice the latter.

[Grim Squeaker]

Oh agreed. PS:T style is a better style, however the game isn't written in that style and I don't like it clashing. So that means we only get the occasional small description in parentheses.

Edited by Grim Squeaker, 03 May 2006 - 07:22 AM.

[Delight]

I think you have a point there.

*Goes to play BG2 to check what can be changed in the game*

edit:
I've just played BG2 for a moment and I have noticed few things:

1.There are descriptions of fighting and one cave (the crystal one) appears to be fully described, so adding descriptions in cutscenes wouldn't clash with the rest of the game.

2. Dialogues are poor when compared to ones from Fallouts, Arcanum and Planescape: Torment .
I don't think anything could be done about that without rewriting all the game dialogue which is rather impossible.

3. The torture cutscene with a little figure getting blasted by Irenicus is totally unconvincing. I think that presenting such serious thing as tortures as cutscenes without any descriptions is downright silly.
Especially without a proper character sounds. I don't know why, but screams and moans of suffering in BG2 sound like they were cut from a poor porn video.

4. The climate of Johny's Dungeon seems to try to be infantile and morbid at the same time. Cute goblins and mephits look painfully out of place. I think that more creepy creatures like skeletons and zombies would be more in place and would be consistent the morbid theme of fascination with death.

5. The placing of creatures in the dungeon area itself is very poor.
For example, I don't understand how shadow thieves did get to the room with cages. All the ways to that room require to get through locked doors/portals and are guarded by cute green goblins with composite bows/mephits.

Edited by Delight, 03 May 2006 - 09:11 AM.

[Tempest]

Can't you folks just leave the torture and stuff to the Mod for the Wicked, and leave the rest of us be? Let those who want this stuff download it, and everyone else ignore it.

[AnnabelleRose]

Last topic moved. I clearly stated no more R-Word posts would be tolerated, Clandestine.

[Delight]

Huh ?

[Tempest]

Do not use the four-letter word for forcing another to submit to you sexually.

[AnnabelleRose]

Huh ?

Clandestine (guest) responded to this thread with a complete garbage post about little other then his/her obession with Nalia and the r-word.

So the post was removed.

[Azkyroth]

Can't you folks just leave the torture and stuff to the Mod for the Wicked

In a word: no. ^.^

To what extent is this acute lexiaphobia going to be applied? This topic? The forum? Hosted mods?

[AnnabelleRose]

This is not a case of lexophobia.

I just wrote a long post explaining how this is never just a word, etc... but backspaced over it as it would not be read. Many have made it quite obvious that someone who takes time to moderate this board for free to keep out trolls and pr0nbots is less important then a discussion on a mod that may or may not ever happen.

Basically, this discussion is now over. Thread locked.

Don't like it? Feel free to go over my head and PM one of the admins.

*edited for clarity*

Edited by MajorTomSawyer, 22 May 2006 - 05:02 AM.