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[Eric P.]

Hello,

I wasn't sure where to ask about this. In the course of testing BGII - SoA with ToB installed (no patches), and with several WeiDU mods added, my party is currently in Irenicus' dungeon, in the corridor between the entrance to the Air plane and the room with the Cambions and clockwork device holding them in place. If I click the Rest button here, or anywhere else in the dungeon, the game will immediately CTD. The party hasn't yet entered the Air plane. I haven't looked at the crash report, because I don't know what it means and it's therefore of no help to me.

If anyone knows how I could troubleshoot and solve this, please let me know. I'll post the WeiDU log if that will help.

Thanks,
Eric

[SConrad]

Moved to IE General Help.

[Gort]

I don't think you'll get any help if you don't installed patches, sorry.

[Solar's Harper]

For convience I've provided a link to the latest patch version, along with the BETA which has instructions provided.

I'm not sure if you have to uninstall the mods then apply the patch, but thats really depending on the mod I guess, someone else might be able to better clarify that.

At any rate, providing a WeiDu log is helpful if the patch doesn't resolve the problem, would this by chance linked to the Chloe problem you reported awhile ago Eric?

[Eric P.]

The reason I don't have any patches installed is that I was getting CTDs with the game before, and found the advice to not install the patches from an on-line source. The game behaved better after setting it up without the patches, though that makes no sense to me.

To blame the Chloe mod for all my current game issues would be unfair, though the CTD on rest problem reappeared only after installing that mod. Thinking on this further, it's possible that the Chloe mod won't work properly without one or both of the game patches (SoA and/or ToB). I haven't yet mustered to motivation to try all three combinations of patches, one at a time, to see what works, but that might end up being my only hope to get the game playable with the Chloe mod.

This crash on rest happens regardless of who's in the party, so I can't blame it directly on any given mod. Deleting the area file in /cache/data doesn't help, nor does deleting anything in /tempsave.

I'm pretty much dead in the water and stumped at this point.

- E

[Eric P.]

Without further doo-doo, here's the WeiDU log:

// Log of Currently Installed WeiDU Mods
// The top of the file is the 'oldest' mod
// ~TP2_File~ #language_number #component_number // [Subcomponent Name -> ] Component Name
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #0 // BG2 Fixpack - Core Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #1 // BG2 Fixpack - Game Text Update
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #2 // Super Happy Fun Lucky Modder Pack
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #3 // BETA Core Fixes (please check the readme!)
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #100 // Party Gets XP for Sending Keldorn to Reconcile With Maria
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #101 // Improved Spell Animations
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #102 // Cromwell's Forging Actually Takes a Day
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #103 // Mixed-Use Dagger Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #104 // Ghreyfain's Holy Symbol Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #106 // Giants Receive Penalties When Attacking Halflings, Dwarves, and Gnomes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #107 // Remove Dual-Classing Restriction from Archers and Stalkers
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #108 // Remove Second Attribute Bonus for Evil Path in Wrath Hell Trial
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #109 // Corrected Summoned Demon Behavior
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #110 // Additional Script Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #111 // Bard Song Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #112 // Wizard Slayers Cause Miscast Magic on Ranged Attacks
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #113 // Additional Alignment Fixes
~SETUP-BG2FIXPACK.TP2~ #0 #114 // Change Free Action to Protect Against Stun
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #0 // Additional merchant with new items
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #1 // Interjections
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #2 // Tomes and manuals
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #3 // Cloak of Balduran
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #4 // Additional portraits
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #5 // Lost item descriptions
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #6 // Dragonsuit & Glory of Balduran (ToB)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #7 // New racial enemies
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #8 // New kit (Gladiator)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #9 // New kit (Knight)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #10 // New kit (Duelist)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #11 // New kit (Legionnaire)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #12 // New kit (Globe-trotter)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #13 // New kit (Dragon Slayer)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #14 // New kit (Crusader)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #15 // New kit (Fright of Liches)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #16 // New kit (Silent Killer)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #17 // New kit (Priest of Auril)
~SETUP-EBG2.TP2~ #0 #18 // Miscellaneous tweaks
~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ #0 #10 // Revised High Level Abilities
~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ #0 #30 // Shapeshifting fix -> Heal on shifting back to human (Default)
~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ #0 #40 // Universal lesser mage robes
~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ #0 #50 // Sword Angel - New Fighter Kit
~SETUP-REFINEMENTS.TP2~ #0 #73 // Revised Armors & Shields. -> Update the descriptions.
~SETUP-BGII-SUBRACE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Subrace mini-mod for BGII v1.0
~SETUP-BGII-SUBRACE.TP2~ #0 #1 // GUI changes for subrace mod
~SETUP-BGII-SUBRACE.TP2~ #0 #3 // BG1 stat bonuses
~SETUP-BW_HERBS_BG2.TP2~ #0 #0 // Herbs and Potions Add-in for BG2 by Baronius, v1.0.3
~TB#QUEST.TP2~ #0 #0 // The curse of Mprolla the spammer
~TB#QUEST.TP2~ #0 #1 // The curse of Mprolla the cheater
~TB#QUEST.TP2~ #0 #2 // A large battle
~TB#QUEST.TP2~ #0 #3 // Underdark Mage Duel
~SETUP-DC.TP2~ #0 #0 // Dungeon Crawl, v1
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Install Longhaired Female Elven Mage Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #1 // Install Female Cleric and Druid Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #2 // Install Male Half-Orc Paperdoll
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #3 // Install Longhaired Female Human Fighter Avatars in Full Plate Armor
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #4 // Install Male Human Barbarian Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #5 // Install Male Human Mage Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #6 // Install Female Human Mage Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #7 // Install Ninja Avatars (replaces Male Monk)
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #8 // Install Ninja Avatars (replaces Female Monk)
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #9 // Install Female Human Rogue Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #10 // Install Male Vampire Avatars
~MOINESSEAVATARS.TP2~ #0 #11 // Install Female Vampire Avatars
~SETUP-PRRINGS.TP2~ #0 #0 // Priest Rings for Kenshiro
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Aerie, Anomen, Jaheira and Viconia React to Romantic Encounters
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #1 // Storms and Lightning, by berelinde (Weathermistress Ada, adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #2 // Aimi's Magic, by berelinde (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #3 // Anishai's Deft Hands, by cmorgan
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #4 // An Evening with Aran, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #5 // Bjornin's Desire, by jastey (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #7 // Trademeet with Guildmistress Busya, by magrat
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #8 // The Gambling Cambion, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #9 // Chanelle's Gifts, by cmorgan (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #10 // A Night with Coran, by magrat
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #11 // Cyric's Test, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #12 // A Tryst with a Pirate Lord, by Kulyok (Desharik, adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #13 // A Lonely Dryad, by Kulyok (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #15 // Eldoth' Exploits, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #16 // Elhan's Expansion, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #17 // Firkraag's Unsheathed Sword
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #18 // Gaelan's Contract, by Evaine Dian
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #19 // A Walk with Garren Windspear, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #20 // Enter Haer'Dalis, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #21 // Hendak's Heart, by jastey
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #22 // Ilona, a Merchant's Daughter, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #23 // Jarlaxle's Fascinations, by Catseye
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #24 // A Night with Lais in Imnesvale, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #25 // Laran's Promise, by berelinde (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #26 // The Love Song of Logan, Lord Coprith, by Ajnos
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #27 // Mekrath and Nymphology, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #28 // Mira's Special Stock, by berelinde
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #30 // Rebecca the Gypsy, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #31 // Renal Bloodscalp: A Dangerous Affair, by cmorgan (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #32 // Old Ribald's Speciality, by Evaine Dian
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #33 // Sir Ryan Trawl, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #34 // Saemon, a Pirate, by Kulyok (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #35 // Dreaming of Sendai, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #36 // Sheri the Bardess, by cmorgan (adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #37 // Solaufein in the Lust Chambers, by jastey
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #38 // Phaere's Reward, by berelinde (Talak, pleasure slave, adult content)
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #39 // Spell Research with Teos, by Kulyok
~SETUP-RE.TP2~ #0 #40 // A fling with Yoshimo, by Kulyok
~SETUP-ALLISON.TP2~ #0 #0 // Allison (One-Day NPC)
~AZURE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Nature's Ally Druid kit(Required for NPC Azure)
~SETUP-BTL.TP2~ #0 #0 // Beyond the Law - Kova & Kiyone
~SETUP-BTL.TP2~ #0 #1 // Alternate Soundset for Kiyone - Female4
~SETUP-BTL.TP2~ #0 #2 // Better Balanced BTL Items
~SETUP-BTL.TP2~ #0 #3 // Portraits for Minor Non-Joinable BTL NPCs
~CHLOE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Chloe NPC mod v1.2
~SETUP-SHEENA.TP2~ #0 #0 // Install A Half Dragon Tale - Version 5.5
~SETUP-KITANYA.TP2~ #0 #0 // Kitanya Conversation/Romance Mod for BG2
~SETUP-KITANYA.TP2~ #0 #1 // Wizardslayer Bugs Fix
~SETUP-KITANYA.TP2~ #0 #2 // Wizardslayer Enhancements
~SETUP-AMBER.TP2~ #0 #0 // Amber the NPC MOD for BGII:SoA
~SETUP-AMBER.TP2~ #0 #1 // Multiplayer-friendly flirting for Amber
~SETUP-AURENASEPH.TP2~ #0 #0 // Auren Aseph V6 for BG2:ToB
~SETUP-AURENASEPH.TP2~ #0 #1 // Alternate Auren Portrait -> Portrait 1 (From Neverwinter Nights Vault)
~SETUP-FADE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Fade: An NPC for Baldur's Gate II
~SETUP-KIVAN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Kivan of Shilmista
~SETUP-KIVAN.TP2~ #0 #6 // Select Kivan's Portrait -> Install Herd's Alternative Portrait for Kivan.
~SETUP-KIVAN.TP2~ #0 #7 // Install ToB Portion of the Mod
~SETUP-SAERILETH.TP2~ #0 #0 // Saerileth Romance Mod v12 (BG2:SoA & TOB NPC) created by nethrin and Sillara
~SETUP-SARAHSOA.TP2~ #0 #0 // Sarah NPC Romance Mod for BG2:SoA V1
~SETUP-XAN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Xan NPC MOD for Baldur's Gate II, v6
~SETUP-XAN.TP2~ #0 #5 // BG1-like flaming sword animation
~SETUP-YASRAENA.TP2~ #0 #0 // Yasraena v7 (BG2:SoA & TOB NPC) created by nethrin & Sillara of the Tamari
~SETUP-SOLAUFEIN.TP2~ #0 #0 // Solaufein Romance for Baldur's Gate II (SoA & ToB)
~SETUP-WIKAEDE.TP2~ #0 #0 // Wikaede One-Day NPC v3.4
~SETUP-CROSSMODBG2.TP2~ #0 #0 // Crossmod Banter Pack for Shadows of Amn
~SETUP-CROSSMODBG2.TP2~ #0 #1 // Crossmod Banter Pack for Throne of Bhaal
~MORITURI.TP2~ #0 #0 // Morituri Kit version 3
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #30 // Improved Specialist Mage Descriptions
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #31 // Replace Berserker Kit with Battlerager for Dwarves
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #400 // Anomen Gains Helm Kit on Passing Knighthood Test
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #410 // Anomen Gains Berserker Kit on Failing Knighthood Test
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #420 // Prevent CN Anomen Gaining a Holy Symbol
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #900 // Add Red Wizard to Edwin's Kit Description
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #2200 // Give Mazzy a Proper Truesword of Arvoreen Kit
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #2300 // Change Minsc's Title to Rashemaar Ranger
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #2500 // Give Nalia Adventurer Kit
~NPCKIT.TP2~ #0 #2800 // Give Sarevok a Proper Deathbringer Kit
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #0 // Sylvan Mystic Kit, by Polar Bear
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #1 // Blade Master Kit, by Drizzt1180
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #3 // Wushi Ninja Kit, by Drizzt1180
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #4 // Creslyn's BG2 Item Pack
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #5 // Archer of Sylvanus, by Drizzt1180
~SETUP-SPSTUFF.TP2~ #0 #6 // Arcane Fist, by Drizzt1180
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Nature's Beauty Tweak. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #150 // Imprisonment Fix. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #200 // Flesh to Stone Fix. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #300 // Drop Weapons in Panic Effect Removal. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1000 // Unlimited Limited Wish & Wish. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1200 // More cheating Wishes: -> Convenient Wish. (v2)
~TB#TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2600 // Faster Romances: -> Heavy. (v2)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #60 // Weapon Animation Tweaks
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #100 // Commoners Use Drab Colors
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #110 // Icon Improvements
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1010 // More Interjections
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1030 // Reveal Wilderness Areas Before Chapter Six
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1040 // Improved Athkatlan City Guard
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1050 // Gradual Drow Item Disintegration
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1070 // Improved Multi-Player Kick-out Dialogues
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1080 // Add Bags of Holding
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1120 // Stores Sell Higher Stacks of Items
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1150 // Shapeshifter Rebalancing
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1161 // Multiple Strongholds (Baldurdash) -> Keep Class Restrictions
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1170 // Bonus Merchants (Baldurdash)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #1220 // Allow Cromwell to Upgrade Watcher's Keep Items
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2020 // Two-Handed Bastard Swords
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2030 // Two-Handed Katanas
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2040 // Universal Clubs
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2050 // Description Updates for Universal Clubs Component
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2060 // Weapon Styles for All
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2090 // Change Experience Point Cap -> Remove Experience Cap
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2140 // Expanded Dual-Class Options
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2150 // Wear Multiple Protection Items -> P&P Restrictions
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2160 // Alter Weapon Proficiency System -> Rebalanced Weapon Proficiencies
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2200 // Multi-Class Grand Mastery (Weimer)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2210 // True Grand Mastery (Baldurdash)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2240 // Un-Nerfed THAC0 Table
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2250 // Un-Nerfed Sorcerer Spell Progression Table
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2260 // Alter Mage Spell Progression Table -> Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2270 // Alter Bard Spell Progression Table -> Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2280 // Alter Cleric Spell Progression Table -> Un-Nerfed Table (Blucher)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2293 // Alter Druid Spell and Level Progression Tables -> Use Cleric Level Progression Changes With Un-Nerfed Druid Spell Table (Blucher)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2300 // Triple-Class HLA Tables
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2312 // Add Save Penalties for Spells Cast by High-Level Casters -> Arcane & Divine Magic
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2320 // Trap Cap Removal (Ardanis/GeN1e)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2330 // Remove Delay for Magical Traps (Ardanis/GeN1e)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #2340 // Remove Summoning Cap for Celestials (Ardanis/GeN1e)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3000 // Higher HP on Level Up -> Maximum
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3012 // Maximum HP for NPCs (the bigg) -> For Party-Joinable NPCs Only
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3050 // Remove fatigue from restoration spells
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3121 // Happy Patch (Party NPCs do not fight or complain about reputation) -> NPCs can be angry about reputation but never leave (Salk)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3125 // Neutral Characters Make Happy Comments at Mid-Range Reputation
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #3200 // Sellable Staffs, Clubs, and Slings (Icelus)
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4010 // Improved Fate Spirit Summoning
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4020 // ToB-Style NPCs
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4031 // Consistent Stats: Edwin -> Use BG2 Values
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4041 // Consistent Stats: Jaheira -> Use BG2 Values
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4061 // Consistent Stats: Minsc -> Use BG2 Values
~SETUP-BG2_TWEAKS.TP2~ #0 #4071 // Consistent Stats: Viconia -> Use BG2 Values

What improvements can I make, if any?

Thanks again,
Eric

[Azazello]

The reason I don't have any patches installed is that I was getting CTDs with the game before, and found the advice to not install the patches from an on-line source. The game behaved better after setting it up without the patches, though that makes no sense to me.

I would love to know that source, as that is advice that not even Bioware/Interplay would give.

To me, the CtDs sound like not all of the files from your game disks are being copied, or fully so. The installation of mods may be hiding that as a cause.

Which game disk compilation do you have? How old are they? How would you rate their condition?

Are you willing/have space to setup a separate game folder? It will only have the default game files, so you can test if the game is behaving properly in its original state.

Edited by Azazello, 12 October 2007 - 04:43 PM.

[Eric P.]

Yeah, I can create a separate, unmodified install of the game. I'm on a Mac, and the install defaults to the top level of my directories (shows up right beside my Applications folder).

As for the physical package, it's copyright 2000 BioWare Corp. Four discs in a fold-out cardboard package. The discs themselves appear perfect and flawless to the naked eye, except for Disc 2 (figures), which shows a few tiny little marks on the data surface, but not deep or wide scratches. They're "real" discs, not burned copies.

I'll try to track down that source of advice against installing the game patches. When I first installed, I included both the SoA and ToB patches, but later I saw a comment that the SoA patch shouldn't be installed, as the ToB patch supposedly takes care of the same issues that that patch did.

I do have an install of the game plus the OS X BG2 Fixpack v4 on my external FW HD. I could possibly use that as a starting point to test one mod at a time, or else just do an eighth round of reinstalling from the ground up *L*

Before I do anything, though, I feel I need to get this patch vs. don't patch issue squared away. I'd rather not test all possible combinations myself, if I can avoid it

Any additional commentary is most welcome!

Happy gaming,
Eric

[Azazello]

Only the ToB patch is needed (not both the SoA and ToB patches).


To setup the separate folder is gonna to be a bit of a process, but not too hard. Decide if you want to do it or not.

Oh yeah, I don't know how different a Mac BG install look to Wins, so let us know.


(1) Copy the entire existing game folder -- this is the one with the BGMain.exe file and all your mods inside -- to somewhere with space.
You're doing this to save your existing game, because if the problem is not due to the disks, then you can just go back to your existing game.

(2) Uninstall just BG2 (keep BG1 if you have it).

(3) Inside the original game folder, delete EVERYTHING. (Should I make the letters bolder?)

(4) Into the original game folder, Do a full install of BG2 and ToB. When that's done, install just the ToB patch.

BTW, once you've done this, you can now play two BG2 games: one from the vanilla install, and the other with the mods you had installed previously.


Now the Testing begins.

Inside the "Vanilla" folder, start the BGMain.exe (not baldur.exe)
Start a new game, use one of the default characters that comes with the game.
Go thru the whole yada-yada Irenicus/Imoen scenes.

First Test:
try to rest.

If good, then probably not a disk problem.
Just to be sure, you could jump to other maps (using control-J [it's a different keystroke on the Mac, but you know what I'm talking about]). Wlak around, rest, fight, whatever.

If you get a CtD, then let us know. Got some other tricks to try.


Second Test (only go here is all is good):
Install Chloe mod.
Start a new game, use one of the default characters that comes with the game.
Go thru the whole yada-yada Irenicus/Imoen scenes.
Try to rest.

What results you get?

[Eric P.]

Responses prefixed with my initials...

[quote name='Azazello' date='Oct 12 2007, 05:40 PM' post='352796']
Only the ToB patch is needed ([u]not[/u] both the SoA and ToB patches).

EP: Good to have that confirmation The SoA package came to me used, but the ToB package was still shrinkwrapped, and the disc inside is 100% perfect (or as close to that as realistically possible; no one else besides me has ever used it).

To setup the separate folder is gonna to be a bit of a process, but not too hard. Decide if you want to do it or not.

EP: Very easy to copy the entire game directory to another folder or HD.

Oh yeah, I don't know how different a Mac BG install look to Wins, so let us know.


(1) [u]Copy[/u] the [u]entire[/u] existing game folder -- this is the one with the BGMain.exe file and all your mods inside -- to somewhere with space.
You're doing this to save your existing game, because if the problem is not due to the disks, then you can just go back to your existing game.

EP: Instead of BGMain.exe, the Mac OS X verison calls the game program Baldur's Gate II, after ToB is installed. OK, copying it now. I'm placing it on my secondary internal HD (a slave drive that I use to hold data). Gave the folder a purple label, for easy identification.

(2) Uninstall just BG2 (keep BG1 if you have it).

EP: All it takes to uninstall it is to send the directory to the Trash, and empty the Trash. I do have BGI - ToSC, but it's the OS 9 version, and I lost the discs several years ago, so I don't think it's usable anymore. Or, I could delete the contents of said game folder, and leave the empty folder there. Looks like that's the way I should go. OK.

(3) Inside the original game folder, delete EVERYTHING. (Should I make the letters bolder?)

EP: Handled under item #2 above.

(4) Into the original game folder, Do a full install of BG2 and ToB. When that's done, install just the ToB patch.

EP: Takes some time. Here goes...doing a maximum install now. Funny how Disc 1 doesn't give any options, but only does an "easy install," and the same goes for the ToB disc, but Discs 2 - 4 let me choose a maximum install. Just an observation.

BTW, once you've done this, you can now play two BG2 games: one from the vanilla install, and the other with the mods you had installed previously.

EP: Sure, but I suspect that any play from the copied install with all the mods would have the same problems as before. I also just realized that I could have dropped the game directory into my user account's Applications folder, but I don't put anything there. Maybe that will be an option for future testing. No, wait...I'll copy the new, clean install of the game there, just after applying the ToB 2.1.2 patch. That'll be my true back-up of the game

Now the Testing begins.

Inside the "Vanilla" folder, start the BGMain.exe (not baldur.exe)
Start a new game, use one of the default characters that comes with the game.
Go thru the whole yada-yada Irenicus/Imoen scenes.

EP: OK, and I haven't done anything with BGConfig, just to keep everything to defaults.

First Test:
try to rest.

EP: CTD as soon as new game starts loading, after accepting character! Assertion failed at line 6389. This is exactly what prompted me to seek help, and to find that NOT installing the patches eliminates this error.

If good, then probably not a disk problem.
Just to be sure, you could jump to other maps (using control-J [it's a different keystroke on the Mac, but you know what I'm talking about]). Walk around, rest, fight, whatever.

EP: Yeah, it's either cmd-J or opt-J, I don't recall which, but it's written down somewhere *L* That just requires enabling cheat keys in the CLUAConsole. No problem.

If you get a CtD, then let us know. Got some other tricks to try.

[snip]

EP: OK, there's my CTD. I'll save a copy of the crash report as a text file, in case it becomes useful. It will tell in which thread the crash occured, and show the details, but none of that means anything to me. What should I try next?

Thanks,
Eric

[Azazello]

Good, we're on the trail.

OK, now want you to fake a Full install. Follow the Minimum to Full Install instructions given-->here.

Once finished, start a new game again. Results?

Edited by Azazello, 12 October 2007 - 07:21 PM.

[Eric P.]

Forgot to mention that the error message that appears with the CTD says Assertion failed in InfGame.cpp at line number 6389. I suppose this distinguishes the failure from others.

I tested in a multiplayer game when this happened.

If I try a single-player game, I can create a character, the game loads, Irenicus has his fun with the main character and leaves, Imoen enters and talks with the main character. At the end of their exchange, when the game normally pauses and saves, instead I get a CTD. This time, the error message says Saved game failed. Do you want to continue?

That's where things stand now. I hope there's still a good solution!

Thanks,
Eric

[Eric P.]

For comparison's sake, I just started a new game from my backed-up install that contains no patches, but includes the G3 Fixpack. I was able to create a new character (imported the ToB cleric) and start the game. Everything worked exactly as it should, and I took Imoen, Jaheira, and Minsc all the way to the cambion area, killing and looting as usual. Then I rested the party, and they all awoke refreshed and healed up.

So, now I'm wondering if some component of the Fixpack corrects the problem that makes the game crash. I don't want to complicate matters further, though, so I'll maintain focus on my "main" game install. At the same time, I'll make a new copy of the game with the Fixpack, and add mods to the new copy, playtesting as I go. I'm pretty sure I have the order for installing mods down now, doing NPCs first after the Fixpack, then Crossmod Banter, then kits, then SP Collection, and finally tbtweaks and BG2 Tweaks (in that order). I hope that's all correct, anyway

- E

[Steve]

http://forums.biowar...t...13&forum=10
What seems to be wrong is that area1100 and area110a are listed as being on CD3 instead of CD4.

Edited by Steve, 14 October 2007 - 06:38 AM.

[Azazello]

Steve, great catch. If I'm reading it right, it's only a problem for Mac users. The great thing is, it can be done without having to reinstall.

[Eric P.]

Yes, I've seen that before, and I'd hoped that following the instructions would solve my issues, but it hasn't The "Assertion failed in InfGame.cpp in line 6389" happens when the game tries to save itself just after the initial conversation with Imoen, when in multiplayer mode. In a single-player game, I can't even get to the opening scenes, as the CTD occurs before the game gets all the way loaded.

When I first got the game, I applied both the SoA and the ToB patches, not knowing any better. I imported characters from BG1 - ToSC, as I'd finished that game previously, to a friend's SoA game on his PC. I saved the characters and brought 'em into ToB, and began playing SoA games with this new install. Aside from a random crash here or there, the game ran as it should. The only mod I'd used on the PC side was Solaufien, but I hadn't applied the mod on my own game. Then I discovered, and began installing, all sorts of mods. Things still ran well for a while, but then I started getting these assertion failures and crashes on rest...and then there was the whole Chloe mess, which also has yet to be resolved.

Not one of the suggestions I've seen so far has corrected the problem, but this is still in progress, so I remain hopeful. I really would like to know precisely what InfGame.cpp is, what it's trying to do when it encounters the failure, and what's supposed to happen at that point. Perhaps the fix lies somewhere in that knowledge, but then again, perhaps not, as I'm not a programmer.

When I play in multiplayer mode, I'm off-line, as the only reason I do this is to bring in additional characters besides the protagonist, or to create a few new characters in one go, then give them their own games later on.

So, I've copied the two area files (1100 and 110A) from the CD 4 Data folder to the CD 3 Data folder, but I still get crashes exactly the same as before. What I've done that will be helpful was to create a new folder inside the main game directory, name it "back-up", and copy the game program, the baldur.ini file, chitin.key, and the entire Override folder, so I can always restore these if needed. My install remains as SoA maximum install + ToB + ToB patch v.2.1.2 (latest patch as of this writing). I put a copy of Install-tools inside the game directory for future use, as I use Install-mod.sh to, well, install mods

Please keep the information flowing, as this issue and the eventual solution will likely benefit other Mac OS X users besides myself. I considered installing the game under OS 9, but my instincts tell me that it will run better under OS X.

Thanks,
Eric

[Steve]

... The "Assertion failed in InfGame.cpp in line 6389" happens when the game tries to save itself just after the initial conversation with Imoen, when in multiplayer mode. In a single-player game, I can't even get to the opening scenes, as the CTD occurs before the game gets all the way loaded.

These sound like two separate problems. For the crash-on-save, have you disabled Spotlight on the BG directory? It apparently likes to scribble its files into directories where new files are being created, which causes BG to CTD. Also, make sure that "temp", "tempsave" and "save" are folders. For the CTD-before-start, I always get a CTD "File Exception Err 1" the first time I run the program, but it works afterward. Be sure to clear out any files in the "cache" folder whenever you install or uninstall a mod. For the crash-on-rest-in-CI, that may also be a problem with Imoen as well since she starts a dialog ("How can you sleep here?").
Update: I started a multiplayer game and it's running normally except for having two Imoen's at the beginning (but that may be because of the NEJ mod). But afterwards, I kept getting the CTD File Exception when I restarted. I ended up having to duplicate the Baldur's Gate II executable and running that to get it going again. I'm assuming that the Finder is the culprit here by not setting up the execution environment correctly.

...and then there was the whole Chloe mess, which also has yet to be resolved.

What Chloe mess?

I really would like to know precisely what InfGame.cpp is, ...

I assume that's the name of a C++ source file, probably means Infinity Game Engine, probably during initialization and setting itself up to run the BG2 data files. Since the only ones that have the source aren't supporting the game anymore, the messages are useless except to tag forum messages so they can be found with Google (insert ironic smiley here).

So, I've copied the two area files (1100 and 110A) from the CD 4 Data folder to the CD 3 Data folder, but I still get crashes exactly the same as before. What I've done that will be helpful was to create a new folder inside the main game directory, name it "back-up", and copy the game program, the baldur.ini file, chitin.key, and the entire Override folder, so I can always restore these if needed. My install remains as SoA maximum install + ToB + ToB patch v.2.1.2 (latest patch as of this writing).

I also. I keep a virgin full install as "BGII initial" and duplicate that to install mods and play. It's 3GB of extra space, but since my 2 year old computer came with a 250GB disk, ...

I put a copy of Install-tools inside the game directory for future use, as I use Install-mod.sh to, well, install mods

I'm sure you already know this but Install-mod only works with PC distributions. Mods that have already been converted to Macs should be installed with their xxx.command .

[Eric P.]

Interesting you should say that. My experience is exactly the opposite! Double-clicking any .command file for a mod fails 100% of the time on my system, but if I run Install-mod.sh in the Terminal, I can then drop a mod's folder onto the Terminal window, and proceed through the install just fine, as long as the necessary files (including .tp2) are present. In the case of a mod that includes only an .exe file, of course that doesn't work. So, not every mod is possible to install to the Mac version, but many will be converted using WeiDU and Install-tools.

One thing about converting and installing mods that's a PITA is that the audio files aren't always converted from .ogg to .wav, and BGII reads .wav files. So, in those cases, I have to use a utility to convert the audio files, then drop 'em into the override folder.

And now, it's happy gaming!

- E

[Steve]

Interesting you should say that. My experience is exactly the opposite! Double-clicking any .command file for a mod fails 100% of the time on my system, ...

You need to manually move all the files in the Mac-ized mod's directory into your BG folder before double-clicking the .command file. If it then gives an Open Command File error, it needs to be set to executable (open a Terminal window, type "chmod +x ", drag-and-drop the .command into the window, then press RETURN).

One thing about converting and installing mods that's a PITA is that the audio files aren't always converted from .ogg to .wav, and BGII reads .wav files...

Yes, that's exactly how Install-mod will fail with a Mac-ized mod. The batch files won't be run to do any of the conversions since there are no .BAT files in the distribution, but WeiDU will register that the mod is installed. Any Mac-ized mod that adds new areas will silently fail but cause BG to crash. By the way, the only Mac-ized mods I use are the MacTutu group and OSX-1pp_v2_remix. With devSin going MIA the number of up-to-date Mac-ized mods are decreasing.

P.S.- As an addendum to my previous post, another reason BG will crash is if there are more than 100 songs in override/songlist.2da . I noticed that you have several NPC mods loaded and they're the ones that add songs.

Edited by Steve, 15 October 2007 - 02:11 PM.

[Eric P.]

Good to know that there are folks out there who know their way around the Mac Thanks so much for the above 411! I was unaware of the chmod thing, so I've made a note of it, and will give it a try later.

As for the songs, I haven't heard any of them yet, though the NPC mods deliver their sounds audibly (both those that are soundsets, and go in the sounds folder, and those that go in the override folder). I do have a lot of NPC mods installed, but I do plan to use all of them.

The Saerileth mod adds areas (other-planar, at that!), but I haven't experienced any difficulties with those...yet *fingers crossed).

Happy gaming,
Eric