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[Gad the Answerer]

- Baldurdash-WeiDU v1.3 or above
- BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

These two are contradictory according to gibberlings! they say installing both will cause numerous problems. In fact they strongly suggest against it!

Was up wit dis?

QUOTE:

Compatibility

The Fixpack is designed to work with Baldur's Gate II with or without the Throne of Bhaal expansion pack. In terms of installation order, the Fixpack should be installed after the official patches, but before other mods. Do not install the Fixpack alongside other fixpacks such as Baldurdash. There is a compatibility and redundancy thread in the Fixpack forums for the most recent information; these are the known incompatibilities and redundancies as of v5:

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[Jarno Mikkola]

- Baldurdash-WeiDU v1.3 or above
- BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

These two are contradictory according to gibberlings! they say installing both will cause numerous problems. In fact they strongly suggest against it!

So what? They can be 'not compatible with each others', but still compatible with BGT-WeiDU by themselves, and take notice that the latest Baldurdash-WeiDU and BG2Fixpack is comabtile with each others, well at least with the BWP fixpack.

[Gad the Answerer]

Right,,but am I the ONLY person here that see's the redundancy? If one mod,is a "MUST" as you put it, then that Clearly means,,, that "Do Not Install Baldurdash".

Guys common.

And Jarno, if I'm wrong, where is your proof quote that proves otherwise!

Edited by Gad the Answerer, 17 February 2009 - 07:54 AM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Right,,but am I the ONLY person here that see's the redundancy? If one mod, is a "MUST" as you put it, then that Clearly means,,, that "Do Not Install Baldurdash".

Actually you don't need either for BGT, you only need the game patches...

What comes to the note; that BGIIFixpack needed to be installed before the BGT, that comes from the needed installation order, not the actual need to install it... as the (BP-BGT-)Worldmap Mod requires the BGIIFixpack to be installed first so one can install the map that shows the whole saga of BG1-TotSC-BGII:SoA-TOB... You can also just use the regular world map that comes with the BGT, but that map changes between BGII:SoA and BGII:ToB.

Now, the Fixpacks are just fix packs, not fix patches... there is a difference. And there isn't actually redundancy, as the fixpacks have their own 'bonus fixes', and some of them are not compatible with all and every the mod in the BGII in the world by themselves. And well, the BWP doesn't actually install the Baldurdash-WeiDU fixpack fix component, but it's because the G3BGIIFixpack has been commonly used as and made for the old BP&BWP mega mods.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 17 February 2009 - 08:51 AM.

[Azazello]

The Compatibility notation from G3 BG2 Fixpack refers to the original, classic Baldurdash, not the weidu-ized versions.

[Gad the Answerer]

Right,,but am I the ONLY person here that see's the redundancy? If one mod, is a "MUST" as you put it, then that Clearly means,,, that "Do Not Install Baldurdash".

Actually you don't need either for BGT, you only need the game patches...

What comes to the note; that BGIIFixpack needed to be installed before the BGT, that comes from the needed installation order, not the actual need to install it... as the (BP-BGT-)Worldmap Mod requires the BGIIFixpack to be installed first so one can install the map that shows the whole saga of BG1-TotSC-BGII:SoA-TOB... You can also just use the regular world map that comes with the BGT, but that map changes between BGII:SoA and BGII:ToB.

Now, the Fixpacks are just fix packs, not fix patches... there is a difference. And there isn't actually redundancy, as the fixpacks have their own 'bonus fixes', and some of them are not compatible with all and every the mod in the BGII in the world by themselves. And well, the BWP doesn't actually install the Baldurdash-WeiDU fixpack fix component, but it's because the G3BGIIFixpack has been commonly used as and made for the old BP&BWP mega mods.

I won't even touch BP. It's full of problems. After trying it for years and "NEVER" being able to finish it once I gave up on it. Like constantly playing a beta before you run into trouble!

Now this is what was written right here on this board: - BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

So that sounds to me like a must, Unless as you suggest that I install BWP.. but,, I don't want to install a mega mod.. too much time,, to many holes withing specific compatibilities and not a clean game. (note the amount of bugs listed on that topic forum,, forget it). (Same thing with World map)!

All I want, it BGT-Weidu, BG1, ToTSC, SOA, ToB, Tortured Souls, and Maybe 1 more mod with the appropriate fix packs!

thats it.. Any Suggestions?

Edited by Gad the Answerer, 17 February 2009 - 07:56 PM.

[Jarno Mikkola]

All I want, it BGT-Weidu, BG1, ToTSC, SOA, ToB, Tortured Souls, and Maybe 1 more mod with the appropriate fix packs! Thats it.. Any Suggestions?

Which version of the Tortured Souls?
Now, if you wish to take those, I would suggest to search the info in here. As far as I know, the real Tortured Souls mod relies on the BGT-WeiDU v1.01(a link to that can be found in BWLs downloading center) version of the BGT with the Baldurdash-WeiDU v1.66, not the BGT v1.07 to be installed. Link to the info. Why? Ask Vlad!

Now this is what was written right here on this board: - BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

This is a result of the BG2Fixpack having a component in it that overwrites the worldmap files, meaning that if you install any mod before it, that alters the games worldmap, the change is not taken into account.

BWP...(note the amount of bugs listed on that topic forum, forget it)

The thing in the Megamod Help forums topics is just that the errors are not all BWPs fault, but the users... And no, it's not because the BWP is hard to understand, but because people don't have a well rounded knowledge about the use of the Baldur's Gate modifications.

And so that it can be quoted, and seen from here;
When I answer to a bug/faulty action report in these BWP threads, there is usually both good and bad news: The good news is, it's not BWPs fault, the bad news is it's user/your error.

And by the way, I have made total of 426 post in the forum.

Edited by Jarno Mikkola, 18 February 2009 - 05:26 AM.

[DavidWallace]

The Compatibility notation from G3 BG2 Fixpack refers to the original, classic Baldurdash, not the weidu-ized versions.

I don't think that's right, actually - the G3 BG2 Fixpack isn't really designed to be used with any other fixpack, and says so. Fixpacks generally get written on the assumption that they're being installed first, so that they don't need to allow for possible changes caused by other mods (including other fixpacks). Now the G3 fixpack is pretty carefully coded (not by me!) so that it will probably cope fairly well even if it's not installed first, but I'm pretty sure it's not recommended behaviour.

[Azazello]

The Compatibility notation from G3 BG2 Fixpack refers to the original, classic Baldurdash, not the weidu-ized versions.

I don't think that's right, actually - the G3 BG2 Fixpack isn't really designed to be used with any other fixpack, and says so. Fixpacks generally get written on the assumption that they're being installed first, so that they don't need to allow for possible changes caused by other mods (including other fixpacks). Now the G3 fixpack is pretty carefully coded (not by me!) so that it will probably cope fairly well even if it's not installed first, but I'm pretty sure it's not recommended behaviour.

You're right--and you're wrong. When the compat statement was originally made, it was with classic Baldurdash in mind.

Conceptually, it's recommended not to mix fixpacks. I don't know any fixpacks that were designed to be compat with other fixpacks.

[Ascension64]

Now this is what was written right here on this board: - BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

Since people are getting confused that 'must' means 'you must install me full stop or the world will end', I'll change this by pre-pending 'if you install this'.

So, now it reads

- BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: if you install this, it must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

[Gad the Answerer]

Now this is what was written right here on this board: - BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: this must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

Since people are getting confused that 'must' means 'you must install me full stop or the world will end', I'll change this by pre-pending 'if you install this'.

So, now it reads

- BG2Fixpack v1 or above (note: if you install this, it must be installed before BGT-WeiDU, otherwise you will get the SoA world map)

Ascension64,, please believe i thank you for all your work, but realize the above statement doesn't change a thing. It still insinuates that without this fixpack, I will be using the wrong map.

Next point to Jarno Mikkola:

I am talking about the Compatability list Ascension64 posted buddy. According to it it states "or Above" in version type!

I know Vlad well enough, and which Baldurdash he would agree with but, with which Versions that are created by another person which there isn't, this brings us back to the compatibility list prevalent here on this board. Now unless there are two versions a.k.a. of "Tortured Souls", written by two separate guys then your point is moot!
As far as I know there isn't more than one current writer and I don't feel like installing an older version that is not being supported any longer that is full of holes and bug unresolved if that is what you are referring too!

I'm not talking about installing mega fixpacks, I'm only interested in a clean game with minimal compatibility issues if none at all!

You know what would be a good idea is if someone is playing a clean game they should post there Install and this board should PIN that topic as such!

This would help a lot of folks if these were in the forefront for all to see.

[Gad the Answerer]

So My main Question is for Ascension. Since Vlad's list for using a BGT version of 1.01 was from 2006, has you newer version not been made compatible with his latest Tortured Souls V1.07.


That's the BID Q..

[Jarno Mikkola]

Next point to Jarno Mikkola:

I am talking about the Compatibility list Ascension64 posted buddy. According to it it states "or Above" in version type!

I know Vlad well enough, and which Baldurdash he would agree with but, with which Versions that are created by another person which there isn't, this brings us back to the compatibility list prevalent here on this board. Now unless there are two versions a.k.a. of "Tortured Souls", written by two separate guys then your point is moot!

Well, when the latest Tortured Souls version is not even compatible with even with the BGT v1.01, the version that's always advertised as being the most compatible... without recoding part of Tortured Souls .tp2, it's begins to be moot to keep the appearance one... as the projects are still both on 'development'.

Now, there is actually 2 versions of the Tortured Souls mod, the TS-BP mod that's was made from the v6.10, which is quite ironed out of bugs, it's just doesn't have to content of the latest version) by different coder entirely, and the the Vlads v7.02...

This all comes to the conclusion that Ascension64 just has to say: - Tortured Souls v6.04.01 or above to v6.10 TS-BP.

[erebusant]

All I can say is.... "Wow".

[Gad the Answerer]

Next point to Jarno Mikkola:

I am talking about the Compatibility list Ascension64 posted buddy. According to it it states "or Above" in version type!

I know Vlad well enough, and which Baldurdash he would agree with but, with which Versions that are created by another person which there isn't, this brings us back to the compatibility list prevalent here on this board. Now unless there are two versions a.k.a. of "Tortured Souls", written by two separate guys then your point is moot!

Well, when the latest Tortured Souls version is not even compatible with even with the BGT v1.01, the version that's always advertised as being the most compatible... without recoding part of Tortured Souls .tp2, it's begins to be moot to keep the appearance one... as the projects are still both on 'development'.

Now, there is actually 2 versions of the Tortured Souls mod, the TS-BP mod that's was made from the v6.10, which is quite ironed out of bugs, it's just doesn't have to content of the latest version) by different coder entirely, and the the Vlads v7.02...

This all comes to the conclusion that Ascension64 just has to say: - Tortured Souls v6.04.01 or above to v6.10 TS-BP.

But,, he didn't, did he?

:-)

BTW thanks for your version of help!

You've cleared everything up!

Edited by Gad the Answerer, 21 February 2009 - 03:39 PM.

[erebusant]

Hmmm... seems so familiar.... bereth... oh bereth ..... wherefore art thou, bereth...

Edited by erebusant, 21 February 2009 - 04:26 PM.

[Ascension64]

Ascension64,, please believe i thank you for all your work, but realize the above statement doesn't change a thing. It still insinuates that without this fixpack, I will be using the wrong map.

Well then, let's just make it real generic. No musts, no nothing

- BG2Fixpack v1 or above (install before BGT-WeiDU - installing after BGT-WeiDU causes you to get the SoA world map)

It's very difficult to keep track of mod updates, and I assume that once a version is cleared for compatibility, subsequent versions would remain compatible. It probably is becoming more likely to no longer be the case, but I'm not going to revert all states to 'unknown' just because the version was updated. I don't have time to check every update for compatibility.
For TS7.02, if there is something more sinister beyond XP patch not working, then please let me know, otherwise the information on the compat list won't change with regards to TS.
Finally, no list, guide or whatnot is definitive, so this forum is the place where people can ask questions - we're always eager to help.

[Gad the Answerer]

Hmmm... seems so familiar.... bereth... oh bereth ..... wherefore art thou, bereth...

Hey dude,, mind holding off on the insults. I'm just looking for some simple answers. So back off!

[Azazello]

Hmmm... seems so familiar.... bereth... oh bereth ..... wherefore art thou, bereth...

If this is true, NOW this thread makes sense!