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[Lollorian]

2. This is because improved Answerer+2 is added there. In addition, you may restore Vampiric Revenge.

Unless Flametongue is moved to somewhere else, this will cause incompatibilities with mods that assume that Flametongue is in ARD014 (like maybe some item upgrade mod or a quest mod that revolves around Flametongue? I dunno... mods these days be crazy and shit )

[micbaldur]

1. Well, it's locked in the original BG2 game unless you decide to do Bodhi's work and kill Vulova. NeJ doesn't re-lock it. In NeJ, you have the same standard choice. But Leina is available only if you work for Bodhi. So, I don't understand what's the problem. Just join Aran and that's all.
 
2. This is because improved Answerer+2 is added there. In addition, you may restore Vampiric Revenge.
 
3. This I don't know. Again, I've never encountered this issue in v6.91. As mentioned here, NeJ doesn't override BGT area files.
 
In AR0700, I needed to add a couple of triggers. Back in time, I couldn't do that with WeiDU.

1. Ups poor choice of words here from me.

Yes, Vulova Estate is locked in vanilla BG2 (no problems i can unlock it) but you add key to open that door (i can get it from Bodhi after i choosing her side).

There is Alternatives mod that offers other choices to travel Brynnlaw (other than Aran or Bodhi). One of those needs access to Vulova Estate as part of quest.

 

2. There aren't any other Flametongue in BG1 and there is BG1 mod that needs Flametongue for item enhancement.

 

3. Maybe BP-BGT Worldmap mod has something to with this issue, i don't know anything so i don't blame any mod for this issue.

 

All i know is that i can't get to BG2 areas from Ulcaster after Halruaa. I made workaround for this issue though (party is teleported to City Gates after everything is done at Ulcaster).

 

This is why i have earlier asked why can't i go to BG1 areas after transition to BG2 but everybody said that is bad idea, but nobody didn't give any reason why it's bad idea.

Edited by micbaldur, 01 October 2015 - 05:02 AM.

[Roxanne]

1. Well, it's locked in the original BG2 game unless you decide to do Bodhi's work and kill Vulova. NeJ doesn't re-lock it. In NeJ, you have the same standard choice. But Leina is available only if you work for Bodhi. So, I don't understand what's the problem. Just join Aran and that's all.
 
2. This is because improved Answerer+2 is added there. In addition, you may restore Vampiric Revenge.
 
3. This I don't know. Again, I've never encountered this issue in v6.91. As mentioned here, NeJ doesn't override BGT area files.
 
In AR0700, I needed to add a couple of triggers. Back in time, I couldn't do that with WeiDU.

1. Ups poor choice of words here from me.

Yes, Vulova Estate is locked in vanilla BG2 (no problems i can unlock it) but you add key to open that door (i can get it from Bodhi after i choosing her side).

There is Alternatives mod that offers other choices to travel Brynnlaw (other than Aran or Bodhi). One of those needs access to Vulova Estate as part of quest.

 

2. There aren't any other Flametongue in BG1 and there is BG1 mod that needs Flametongue for item enhancement.

 

3. Maybe BP-BGT Worldmap mod has something to with this issue, i don't know anything so i don't blame any mod for this issue.

 

All i know is that i can't get to BG2 areas from Ulcaster after Halruaa. I made workaround for this issue though (party is teleported to City Gates after everything is done at Ulcaster).

 

This is why i have earlier asked why can't i go to BG1 areas after transition to BG2 but everybody said that is bad idea, but nobody didn't give any reason why it's bad idea.

Going to most BG1 areas (avoid e.g. Nashkel) would be possible but moving around BG1 areas will cause problems. You will trigger chapter transitions - just one example: if you are in BG2 before you did your choice of Bodhi/Aran/etc and you move into Nashkel on the BG1 map, you trigger a transition to BG2 Chapter 3 but since you have not sided with anyone your game is now broken. There a number of more cases like that. Anything in BG1 or BG2 that uses the chapter numbers to check triggers will be corrupted.

(In my Sandrah NPC mod there is one excursion back to Undercity where you defeated Sarevok and this is ok because I seal all the exits into the town above, if they were open you would ruin your game by stepping outside.)

Spoiler

BG1
Chapter 1, escaping from Candlekeep.
Chapter 2, outside but not yet in Naskel.
Chapter 3, after going to Naskel, but before looting the chest in the Naskel Mines.
Chapter 4, after that and before looting the Bandit Camps chest.
Chapter 5, killing Davaeorn in the Cloakwood Mines should start the next chapter.
Chapter 6, getting to talking to the grand Duke Elthan and taking to book.
Chapter 7, after facing Sarevok first time.
Chapter 8, the chapter changes after talking to Belt the last time

BG2:SoA
Chapter 1, Irenicus Dungeon
Chapter 2, after you have heard the Shadow Thieves deal.
Chapter 3, after getting the money and doing a deal with either party of the conflict.
Chapter 4, Brynnlaw, Asylum, Sahuagin City
Chapter 5, Underdark.
Chapter 6, Out of the Underdark, hunt Lanthorn.
Chapter 7, Suldanessellar.
Chapter 8, starts killing Irenicus the second time.

ToB
Chapter 8 ToB until Oasis
Chapter 9 Sendai, Abazigal, Balthazar, Throne of Bhaal: DEFEAT AMELYSSAN

Edited by Roxanne, 01 October 2015 - 05:30 AM.

[The Imp]

Going to most BG1 areas (avoid e.g. Nashkel) would be possible but moving around BG1 areas will cause problems. You will trigger chapter transitions -

Do those also happen when the BG1 has happened already ? Cause it can be prevented, if it still does. That's part of allowing the transition back and forth.
In EET, the chapters will start from 1 in BG1 and end up rocketing over to 20's in ToB... just to remove this kinds of issues, if it's done as it was said to be at a point. Of course the EE games need a v1.4 patch for that to be applicable... but we are still off from the release of the Siege of the Dragon Spear, so we'll be just waiting for that till it's there, and the EET gets a release.

[Roxanne]

Going to most BG1 areas (avoid e.g. Nashkel) would be possible but moving around BG1 areas will cause problems. You will trigger chapter transitions -

Do those also happen when the BG1 has happened already ? Cause it can be prevented, if it still does. That's part of allowing the transition back and forth.
In EET, the chapters will start from 1 in BG1 and end up rocketing over to 20's in ToB... just to remove this kinds of issues, if it's done as it was said to be at a point. Of course the EE games need a v1.4 patch for that to be applicable... but we are still off from the release of the Siege of the Dragon Spear, so we'll be just waiting for that till it's there, and the EET gets a release.

Currently it is, see Nashkel

IF
    OnCreation()
    Global("Chapter","GLOBAL",2)

THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        StartMovie("NASHKELL")
        SmallWait(1)
        SetGlobal("Chapter","GLOBAL",1)
        IncrementChapter("Chptxt-2")
        SetGlobal("Chapter","GLOBAL",3)
        AddJournalEntry(95279,INFO)
        Continue()

 

Of course you could easily avoid it by adding

!Global("endofbg1","GLOBAL",2)

to the triggers (The OnCreation triggers even though you have been to Nashkel before because in BGT SoA your BG1 areas all revert to unvisited)

 

I thnik the main problem will be all the mods, interactions, triggers etc that use the current chapter numbering convention for their scripts. It is probably not the best idea to touch that. And for me the main question would be - what is the benefit? What do we gain by doing it?

 

In SandrahRtF I have expanded my story to all BG1, BG2 and ToB areas, but this is because it takes place in chapter 10, which does not exist in BG1 (see http://www.shsforums...-42#entry581289), thus there are no issues anymore.

 

Also. currently it seems that in IE BGT you cannot exceed chapter 10 (which is ToB epilogue) - I tried to advance this for SandrahRtF to add a new chapter, but the game treats it all as Tob chapter 10.

Edited by Roxanne, 01 October 2015 - 06:40 AM.

[Fouinto]

This is why i have earlier asked why can't i go to BG1 areas after transition to BG2 but everybody said that is bad idea, but nobody didn't give any reason why it's bad idea.

You should try EET

Spoiler

At the end of BG2 (last chapter) you can go back to BG1
It works (even without Siege of the Dragon Spear), there are just people around speaking of Iron Crisis and such...

Also. currently it seems that in IE BGT you cannot exceed chapter 10 (which is ToB epilogue) - I tried to advance this for SandrahRtF to add a new chapter, but the game treats it all as Tob chapter 10.

As said by the Imp, this should be fixed with the release of Siege of the Dragon Spear.

Edited by Fouinto, 01 October 2015 - 10:13 AM.

[micbaldur]

This is why i have earlier asked why can't i go to BG1 areas after transition to BG2 but everybody said that is bad idea, but nobody didn't give any reason why it's bad idea.

You should try EET

Spoiler

At the end of BG2 (last chapter) you can go back to BG1
It works (even without Siege of the Dragon Spear), there are just people around speaking of Iron Crisis and such...

Also. currently it seems that in IE BGT you cannot exceed chapter 10 (which is ToB epilogue) - I tried to advance this for SandrahRtF to add a new chapter, but the game treats it all as Tob chapter 10.

As said by the Imp, this should be fixed with the release of Siege of the Dragon Spear.

 

I'm not interested BG in EE (Evil Engine) so no i'm not trying EET.

 

Maybe when all BWP mods and BWP is EE compatible i might be interested, though probably NOT even then.

[Roxanne]

This is why i have earlier asked why can't i go to BG1 areas after transition to BG2 but everybody said that is bad idea, but nobody didn't give any reason why it's bad idea.

You should try EET

Spoiler

At the end of BG2 (last chapter) you can go back to BG1
It works (even without Siege of the Dragon Spear), there are just people around speaking of Iron Crisis and such...

Also. currently it seems that in IE BGT you cannot exceed chapter 10 (which is ToB epilogue) - I tried to advance this for SandrahRtF to add a new chapter, but the game treats it all as Tob chapter 10.

As said by the Imp, this should be fixed with the release of Siege of the Dragon Spear.

 

Fixed??? That makes it sound like something is broken, which is not the case here. It is a feature of the game and e.g. a mod like Sandrah Return To Faerun uses it to let you explore the whole Sword Coast anew once you finished ToB. To return to BG1 at a later stage makes only sense if there is something new to find and to explore, otherwise it is just a gimmick.

Edited by Roxanne, 01 October 2015 - 10:38 AM.

[micbaldur]

I'm currently NeJ Dragon's Eye and encountered familiar bug.

 

IA: Histachii sometimes changes to Drider Male during attack animation.

 

Here's some info:

MHISA1.BAM Histachii
MHISA1E.BAM Histachii
MHISA2.BAM Histachii
MHISA2E.BAM Histachii
MHISA3.BAM Histachii
MHISA3E.BAM Histachii
MHISA4.BAM Drider Male
MHISA4E.BAM Drider Male

Edited by micbaldur, 01 October 2015 - 01:19 PM.

[micbaldur]

NeJ: Problem with start of Player1 dialogue after Larrel's Sending cutscene at Severed Hand (TT5000). Something is wrong with "EscapeArea()". Fixed locally.

SHLARCT1.BCS:

IF
    True()
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        CutSceneId(Myself)
        SetGlobal("VP_Severed_Hand","GLOBAL",1)
        StartCutSceneMode()
        MultiPlayerSync()
        HideGUI()
        ClearAllActions()
        MultiPlayerSync()
        MoveViewPoint([705.451],VERY_FAST)
        Wait(3)
        MoveToPoint([751.523])
        Wait(3)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109622) // "A dwarf dares to set foot here!"
        Wait(4)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109623) // "Have you come to push the dagger further into our backs!"
        Wait(3)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109624) // "Speak for yourself!"
        Wait(2)
        DisplayStringHead("Squirrel",36347) // ...
        Wait(2)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109625) // "Do you deny the destruction wrought by your treacherous kind!"
        Wait(2)
        DisplayStringHead("Squirrel",36347) // ...
        Wait(3)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109626) // "I will not tolerate your filthy presence anymore!"
        ActionOverride("Squirrel",MoveToPoint([1223.599]))
        MoveViewObject("Squirrel",VERY_FAST)
        Wait(2)
        ForceSpellPoint([1033.582],WIZARD_FIREBALL) // SPWI304.SPL (Fireball)
        MoveViewObject("Squirrel",VERY_FAST)
        Wait(2)
        ActionOverride("Squirrel",MoveToPoint([1223.599]))
        Wait(2)
        MoveViewObject(Myself,VERY_FAST)
        Wait(2)
        DisplayStringHead(Myself,109627) // "Wretched thing."
        Wait(1)
        MoveViewPoint([969.785],FAST)
        MultiPlayerSync()
        Wait(1)
        UnhideGUI()
        MultiPlayerSync()
        EndCutSceneMode()
        EscapeArea()
        ActionOverride(Player1,StartDialog("Player1",Myself))
END

Fixed by changing "EscapeArea()" to:

ActionOverride(Myself,DestroySelf())

As usual i don't have any idea what's the problem and why this fix helps.

 

Update:

I checked that cutscene how it's in Icewind Dale and it has:

DestroySelf()

So maybe that works too, didn't test it though.

 

Update 2:

Tested with "DestroySelf()" and that works too.

Edited by micbaldur, 01 October 2015 - 06:25 PM.

[Lollorian]

Can you check if this patch is applied for IA please?

 

Also, BWPFixpack'd

[micbaldur]

Can you check if this patch is applied for IA please?

Sure...  ... ... i'm suppose to check ...  ... apply IA ... how ... what ... when ... sorry ... no comprende ... stupid player here.   

Also, BWPFixpack'd

Thanks again.

[Lollorian]

Can you check if this patch is applied for IA please?

Sure...  ... ... i'm suppose to check ...  ... apply IA ... how ... what ... when ... sorry ... no comprende ... stupid player here. 

Can you check if the _BWP Fixes.txt in your installation's Big world fixpack folder has the line "Lollorian's patch to handle non-biffed installations" in it?

[Lollorian]

Can you check if this patch is applied for IA please?

Sure...  ... ... i'm suppose to check ...  ... apply IA ... how ... what ... when ... sorry ... no comprende ... stupid player here. 

Can you check if the _BWP Fixes.txt in your installation's Big world fixpack folder has the line "Lollorian's patch to handle non-biffed installations" in it?

[micbaldur]

Can you check if this patch is applied for IA please?

Sure...  ... ... i'm suppose to check ...  ... apply IA ... how ... what ... when ... sorry ... no comprende ... stupid player here. 

Can you check if the _BWP Fixes.txt in your installation's Big world fixpack folder has the line "Lollorian's patch to handle non-biffed installations" in it?

Oh, you mean that, now me  stupid player understand.

 

No, i don't have that patch applied in my BWP.

[The Imp]

Was your install made after the July 14th 2015, or before... cause if it's done after, and the it's not applied, that would mean more trouble for other users, but if it's due to the date, then it won't.

[micbaldur]

Well as said in here with added weidu.log and other stuff.

 

This is BWP 15.1 and was made 13 of June 2015.

[Vlad]

What's the problem with EscapeArea()? It looks better when Larrel just goes away.

[micbaldur]

What's the problem with EscapeArea()? It looks better when Larrel just goes away.

Yes is does but Player 1 dialogue after "EscapeArea()" doesn't start.

[micbaldur]

Nice to see site back up after some downtime.

 

Finished NeJ Icewind Dale and slowly doing Waukeen's Promenade, lot of new stuff there.

 

Few NeJ problems encountered and one BP related.

 

NEJ: Unkillable Snow Trolls (WTICETRL.CRE) in Ice Aquarium (TT7001.ARE) at Wyrm's Tooth.  Fixed locally.

NEJ: Unkillable Snow Trolls (INVISTRL.CRE) in Entrance (TT7002.ARE) at Wyrm's Tooth.  Fixed locally.

 

Don't know if unkillable Snow Trolls are intentional or not, but i don't like it so i made them killable.

NeJ: Problem with OnCreation() at Irenicus Dungeon 2 (AR0603.ARE). 2 Yoshimos joins and RoT cutscene doesn't start. Fixed locally.

At AR0603.BCS removed OnCreation() from this block:

IF
    OnCreation()
    InMyArea("Yoshimo")
    !InParty("Yoshimo")
    Global("VP_Destroy_Yoshimo","GLOBAL",0)
THEN
    RESPONSE #100
        SetGlobal("VP_Destroy_Yoshimo","GLOBAL",1)
        ActionOverride("Yoshimo",DestroySelf())
        SetGlobal("NeJRoT","AR0603",1)
        Continue()
END

BP: Game stops working (not typical CTD with loud PING) and shuts down (nothing on log-files) at Irenicus Dungeon 2 (AR0603.ARE). Problem with animation of DUEARC03.CRE and DUEARC04.CRE. Fixed locally.

Changed Animation from:

FIGHTER_MALE_DWARF_LOW - 20738

to:

FIGHTER_MALE_DWARF - 24834