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#4201 subtledoctor

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 10:32 AM

There have been no insults, except I think it was slightly rude of you to make such a change without notice or discussion first. Especially after I informed you that the mod is compatible and you were made aware that the mod has been used successfully by many EET players.

I specifically worked on EET compatibility with k4thos. I don't control him or when he is around to edit a single post. All I can do is provide the requisite information in the thread attached to that post, so that people can act on that information.

It's very puzzling to me why you would do this without including the relevant modder to discuss it, and seeming to pointedly avoid discussing it when it is raised for discussion. Again, it seems rude to me - perhaps unintentionally so, but if I am unintentionally rude I hope people would let me know so that I can modify my behavior. I am letting you know.

BWS was treating FnP properly. Everything was correct. You changed the status quo without need, and without discussion, and without confirming that a change in fact needed to be made. Please return BWS to that status quo until information and discussion reveal that a change should be made.

#4202 Roxanne

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 11:07 AM

This is how it now appears in EET selections. Please take a look to verify that the component selection is correct for that game.

F+P1.jpg

F+P2.jpg

 

There will still be the open issue of how to deal with other similar cases in the future. Or whether the rule for BWS to follow EET should be skipped.

But that is for other people to decide...

 


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#4203 subtledoctor

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:35 PM

Thank you. That all looks fine. A few notes:

- Component 325 should be removed... but that's an oversight on our end, I need to disable it in the .tp2.

- Most/all of the individual kits require that the main component for that class be installed. E.g. components 201 through 332 require that #200 be checked as well. Not sure if there would be a visual indicator of that or what.

- I don't see component 102, the "install everything" component that most players would likely use.

Edited by subtledoctor, 16 August 2017 - 01:36 PM.

#4204 Roxanne

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Posted 16 August 2017 - 01:58 PM

Thank you. That all looks fine. A few notes:

- Component 325 should be removed... but that's an oversight on our end, I need to disable it in the .tp2.

Can be removed in BWS - just for EET or for all games?

- Most/all of the individual kits require that the main component for that class be installed. E.g. components 201 through 332 require that #200 be checked as well. Not sure if there would be a visual indicator of that or what.

Such dependencies cannot be shown on the selection screen (one of those issues caused by the non-maintainable system underneath). You can make *stupid' choices and you get the feedback only when you move to the next step(menu) which will then indicate you all the mistakes you have made. The rules are defined in .ini files. You could give the user a hint in the description texts, e,g, saying in 201 blabla (requires component 200)

- I don't see component 102, the "install everything" component that most players would likely use.

That is only a matter of my screenshot, I had not expanded the little plus sign of *Select an install method* that would open the choices

ANN;101 only for IWDEE  (this is not shown to user)
MUC;Faiths_and_Powers;102;09;0111; (this is pre-selected per default)
MUC;Faiths_and_Powers;103;09;0000;
MUC;Faiths_and_Powers;105;09;0000;


Edited by Roxanne, 16 August 2017 - 01:59 PM.

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#4205 subtledoctor

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 05:47 AM

Ah, I understand. No problem.

I guess component 325 can stay... I don't like that kit but I suppose we should replace it with something better, instead of just deleting it.

No changes, then. Cheers

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 10:40 AM

Hello,
can you add this alternative take to IR into BWS?

http://gibberlings3....ic=28894&page=2

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:09 PM

So, there's Vlad's new mods compilations and i wanted to test them in BWS. What would be best shot to do that? Should i install BWS setup (without biffing) then VC+NEJ and then run biffing? 


#4208 Roxanne

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:14 PM

So, there's Vlad's new mods compilations and i wanted to test them in BWS. What would be best shot to do that? Should i install BWS setup (without biffing) then VC+NEJ and then run biffing? 

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Edited by Roxanne, 20 August 2017 - 12:15 AM.

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#4209 Jakar

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:28 PM

Oh. That's sad. I tought that better support for BGT would mean that it's more compatible with BWS too.

 

http://imgur.com/a/EKzgL


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:57 AM

Oh. That's sad. I tought that better support for BGT would mean that it's more compatible with BWS too.

Well, technically "better BGT(-weidu) support" is a started... but only that as the last one was BGT-weidu v1.01 with altered .tp2 file for the NeJ part of the mod. So there's quite way to still to go from there to full BWS support.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:42 AM

It's the third time in a few hours I get a crash to desktop quicksaving, never happened with previous installations.. anybody has any idea what the issue could be, or where or what to look to investigate?

Of the two last crashes, one happened during/after a successful save, the other one happened during/after the "you cannot save in dialogue mode" message, so the crash is unrelated to the actual completion of the saving.

Thanks.

 

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Edited by Blash2, 21 August 2017 - 03:02 AM.

#4212 Blash2

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:54 AM

Could you check Item Randomiser? It would seem that no matter what value you choose, "randomly not randomize" component is always set to 90. I set it to 10 and here is the line from the exported .ini selection:

 

randomiser=510 510?1_90 530 540 560 1300 1300?1_y 5005 5015 5025 5035 5045 5055 5065 5085 10300

 

This would confirm why in every installation I easily found items where they were supposed to be.


#4213 Roxanne

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:26 AM

Could you check Item Randomiser? It would seem that no matter what value you choose, "randomly not randomize" component is always set to 90. I set it to 10 and here is the line from the exported .ini selection:

 

randomiser=510 510?1_90 530 540 560 1300 1300?1_y 5005 5015 5025 5035 5045 5055 5065 5085 10300

 

This would confirm why in every installation I easily found items where they were supposed to be.

The 90 is the default value set in BWS configuration. If your entered value is not changing it, there might be a bug.

The current status of BWS is probably known well enough by now, so there will be nobody around to fix the bug. We need to find a solution within the configuration files that can still be managed.

 

I will change to 90% default, which is surely not realistic, to 50% (a proposal). I do not know if that solution works, but it may be worth a try - I will also set the 1400 value of 10% to 50% as well.


Edited by Roxanne, 21 August 2017 - 10:27 AM.

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#4214 Blash2

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:43 AM

Yes, I confirm that BWS doesn't record the inserted value, anyway. Definitely a bug.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:34 PM

"The current status of BWS is probably known well enough by now," (...)


I don't understnad your poiint Roxanne. Is bws with no mantainer?

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:22 PM

I don't understnad your poiint Roxanne. Is bws with no mantainer?

Roxanne is one of them... should tell you perhaps, that things could be better, but they are not absolutely abysmal either.


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#4217 Roxanne

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:42 PM

"The current status of BWS is probably known well enough by now," (...)


I don't understnad your poiint Roxanne. Is bws with no mantainer?

There is none who maintains the program (software) itself, there are only some modders who try to keep the mod configutations up-to-date best as they can, But even that is limited to EE/EET and not the old game anymore.


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#4218 Blash2

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 05:57 AM

I confirm that also the weird problem at Thalantyr's was caused by Ascalon's Questpack. I suspect it also caused issues with Imoen Friendship installation, but I'm not completely sure on this side. Should definitely be marked red, while it waits to be updated.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:33 AM

I confirm that also the weird problem at Thalantyr's was caused by Ascalon's Questpack. I suspect it also caused issues with Imoen Friendship installation, but I'm not completely sure on this side. Should definitely be marked red, while it waits to be updated.

Would you give me more info on these problems, please?


Edited by jastey, 24 August 2017 - 07:34 AM.

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Posted 25 August 2017 - 06:27 AM

Problem with Thalantyr discussed in this post and following: http://www.shsforums...220#entry596461

 

Problem with Imoen Friendship installation here: http://www.shsforums...217#entry596251

About this last one, it appeared only if installed together with Ascalon's.


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